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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have a great

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show for you this evening i'm actually

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not here

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uh well

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what i'm saying is this is a

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pre-recorded show

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and

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i'm not here live um

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i'm off the grid when this is airing so

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um anyway i thought i would put this up

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and do a pre-record with two great

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guests the first one coming up is kevin

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randle's been on the show many times um

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he's a prolific writer he's got a book

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coming out level end

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about a 1957 ufo encounter we're going

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to be talking about that

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in the second

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half of the show

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i invited albert wayne albert was on the

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show talked about a very unusual

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and really credible sighting that he had

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many years ago and so i invited him back

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because in our conversation off air he

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told me there's other things that have

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happened to his family and i thought his

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story

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was

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really so fascinating that i wanted to

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ask him more details so look for that in

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the second half so we'll be back live

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next week as usual for now i'm going to

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bring in my guest and what just one

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other thing thank you so much for

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supporting the show

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i don't know what the blog is going to

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be this week but it should there should

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be a new blog up there and if remember

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if you want to find out what's coming up

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every week all you have to do is go to

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podcastufo.com

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and sign up on the newsletter on the

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side and then you'll know what's going

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on so here we go with kevin welcome

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kevin it's always great to have you on

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well thank you appreciate being here

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yeah i'm there yeah

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here we're not really here but we're

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here so uh and i appreciate you uh

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accommodating this time that we can

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record so you have a great book but

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before that i've i always say when you

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come on the show that you are one of the

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real balanced people out there and i

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defer to you when i'm

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in your work when i'm looking up

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something so many times

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uh you have helped me and you don't even

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know it and that's by

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writing a real balanced blog

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and about what is happening i'm going to

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pull that up right now your blog

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a different perspective

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i i just think you again you're not only

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helping me you're helping a lot of

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people just get a real clear

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perspective about what is happening

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uh on or what happened i should say in a

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ufo encounter that

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a lot of times i will look at something

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and think wow there's really something

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to that

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and then you explain the whole thing and

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why there wasn't something to that

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and so while i have this up here let's

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talk about your

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your last blog

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it's about the cigar ufo

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um sightings because i i have kind of a

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a story on that myself that i'd like to

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share

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but so what was what initiated you

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writing that particular blog

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i'd come across a number of um

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ufo sightings that had just been

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people had talked to me about that dealt

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with cigar-shaped craft i noticed a

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triangular triangle shaped craft has

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quite a comeback right or not

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necessarily come back in appearance and

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a lot of a lot of the sightings are

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triangular shaped objects and i wonder

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if there's not some terrestrial

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explanation for them because they become

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so prevalent we know with the b-2 bomber

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and the f-111 they have a basically

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triangular shape and i wonder if the

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next generation of

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military aircraft isn't responsible for

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a great number of the triangular shaped

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objects but looking at this i also

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noticed that the a lot of people were

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talking about cigar shaped craft or what

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now i guess has become tic tacs

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they're somewhat cigar shaped so i'd uh

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found a number of instances of people

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reporting cigar shaped craft in the last

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few months so i thought i would just

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provide a little bit of information

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about that in places where people could

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go to

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discover more information about that if

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that was something that interest them

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right and also about the car sawing

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fascinating we're going to get into that

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as well as when we talk about your book

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but um but there that is a phenomenon

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now i i love and and this this the

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second guest on the show i love to hear

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stories that i've never heard before

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that it's say the average person out

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there all of a sudden there's a

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happenstance well uh our guest albert

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happened to listen to my show because he

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had an interest because he had a ufo

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sighting so i love hearing those stories

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and i have to tell you of a situation

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that happened

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when i was visiting russia my

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ex-girlfriend's father

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was driving through a pass

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and he was describing this and she was

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translating

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driving through a pass in russia and

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then he we drove out to the past real

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busy traffic i don't know how this could

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have happened the way it did but it was

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busy when we were there maybe it was a

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time of day

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so he's driving through the pass and all

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of a sudden his car stalls and everyone

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else's car stalled around him

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they all get out

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and they're pulling up their hoods

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they're off to the side of the road

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they're pulling up their hoods trying to

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check out what's going on and just then

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this huge cigar-shaped craft

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floated through the pass

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he said he looked up it had portholes

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and floated through

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just really slow no noise

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someone got in their car and it started

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and they all looked at each other like

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shaking their heads all got in their car

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and drove off nobody talked to anyone

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about it i mean there's another stall

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case i mean did he did he start the car

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did it start spontaneously

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you know that's something if i get get a

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chance to ever speak to him again i

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didn't ask him that question i assumed

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everyone just turned the key

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but there are cases where things will

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just start on their own

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most of the time it takes an action by

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the driver to start the car yeah and

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it's a misconception for those of us

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vehicle interference cases that the cars

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start spontaneously the headlights come

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and that makes sense the condom

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committee the university of colorado

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study funded by the air force refused to

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look at the level land sightings for

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or other

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really sightings about this kind of a

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phenomenon because

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they could think of no way a magnetic

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field could stall a car engine

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and then have it remove the field the

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car engine would start spontaneously

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somebody would have to take an action

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and i began looking at the cases

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mark rodinger done some

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done a preliminary study in 1985 of some

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400 cases of car

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or vehicle interference type stories and

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i got to looking through that looking to

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see if there were

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indications of what happened

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and most of the time it said

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it would say well the car started

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normally or i could start the car or

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something like that very few cases did

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they say it started spontaneously in the

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level land sightings there were people

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at many different locations

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independently reporting the craft coming

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close installing the car

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and only one of those did the guy say it

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started spontaneously and he insisted on

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that it seemed the others had to take an

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action to get their car started so when

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the content committee rejected the idea

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of these magnetic fields these

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electromagnetic effects suppressing the

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car engine and stopping it and and

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there'd be no mechanism for

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it to start spontaneously when they

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removed the field they didn't understand

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that most cases isn't that way somebody

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had to take an action to start the car

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radical study for example it's

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not clear exactly what happened it said

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the car started normally or something

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like that and that to me suggested that

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the they could start the engine

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with the level end cases one of the guys

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said that he tried repeatedly to start

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the car while the object was closed when

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it took off he then said that he could

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get his car started so he took the

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action to make the car start so that was

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level land book is

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did the drivers

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have to take some sort of an action to

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get the car started

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i see okay so let's let's take a look at

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um i'm gonna pull up your your book here

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if all goes well or at least a uh a

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screenshot of it um and

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let's talk about that case 1957

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that's when that happened uh was that

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november 2nd or something like that

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november 2nd 1957 level land texas which

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is just west of lubbock if you're

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looking for it on the map look for

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lubbock uh-huh

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um oh yeah yeah i know texas is so big

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you really have to you really have to

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fill that up yeah so i love the graphics

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on this and is is that

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this egg-shaped thing

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is that sort of what uh people were

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reporting something like they described

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it a number of ways as egg-shaped or

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torpedo shaped and i'm thinking that the

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difference is not that the object was

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changing shape it just was a matter of

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perspective where you were when you

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looked at it you you see those big

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propane tanks on farms as you drive

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around

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big cigar shaped things yeah if you look

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at it from the proper angle it does have

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an egg shape if you look at it straight

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on it has a

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cigar shape if you look at it from the

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end on it's got a circular shape so i'm

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thinking that the discrepancy in the

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descriptions isn't so much the object

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changing shape it's a matter of

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perspective of where the witnesses saw

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but most of them talked about a cigar

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i'm sorry an egg-shaped craft

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most of them talked about it being

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bright red or

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that color although there

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were indications some people saw

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something that was bluish in color uh

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pedro saucedo who's the first person to

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call the lubbock i'm sorry the level

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land sheriff about his sighting

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said that as it approached it and sent

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down close to his truck stalling the

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truck it was blue but it turned to a

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bright red so bright it was hard to look

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at and then it took off in the distance

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and once it was gone of course he could

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start his truck again

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wow i was looking into the the sighting

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i had that really got me interested in

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you know this topic

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and i saw where there was one

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where i saw it i mean a report i didn't

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report it this is you know back in 2007

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i didn't report it but um i looked back

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then and sure enough there was someone

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reporting one but they said it was cigar

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shape and i started thinking about it um

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because the one i saw had like a blue

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glow around it as well

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and i was thinking maybe talk about a

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perspective not talking about your blog

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but talk about perspective maybe at an

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angle

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um it could appear like a cigar shape

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you know i mean i have heard that before

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about discs now maybe i'm just trying to

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you know glorify the fact that someone

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else probably saw what i saw but

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um you know

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the angles do do change what you're

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seeing there are sightings in which the

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witness talks about the object changing

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shape and again i think if you've got a

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disc shaped object and you see it on

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edge on it may look more cigar shaped

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than this shape and if it turns a little

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bit then you get a different

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a different perspective of what it looks

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like so i'm not i'm not really sure that

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we're talking about objects changing

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shape but we're talking about the

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perspective changing and that sort of

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thing and people not being aware of how

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that can influence what they've seen

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now i saw when i was reading through

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some things that

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this case was classified at one time

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there are indications that was

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classified yes now there's a document

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that's in the book

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where you can see it says restricted at

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that time it was the lowest level of

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classification

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it was later changed to confidential and

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secret but you can see where

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if you look at the document carefully

348
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you can see where it was secret at one

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time and then had been downgraded to

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restrict it

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a lot of classified material is

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regularly downgraded i don't people know

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this so if you've got something

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classified secret

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one day three years later it may be

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automatically downgraded to now

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confidential and three years after that

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it becomes for official use only which

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is

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really sort of a uh

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easy way or a normal way of

362
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unclassifying material but keeping it

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out of the the public's hands it's you

364
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know for official use only as opposed to

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distribute it to the public type thing

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but there's there's nothing restricted

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really about seeing that that sort of

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thing so yeah um there's indications

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that import parts of this were

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classified there's other indications

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that not all the witnesses were

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interviewed by the

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air force investigation guy named norman

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barth a staff sergeant from air force

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base in colorado springs went to level

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land uh two or three days later he spent

377
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seven hours there investigating the case

378
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and then left having solved the whole

379
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thing he talked to six witnesses

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or six people who were who were involved

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in that i know for a fact that

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the sheriff

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and i hate his name it's weir clem

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i'm thinking why couldn't he be

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something like jack armstrong or

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you know

387
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some some good solid name but this weird

388
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clem is really

389
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out of the

390
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back woods i guess it's difficult but

391
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but

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a bright fellow nonetheless

393
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uh he had to be

394
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he told

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that when he had seen the object and he

396
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talked about an object a a

397
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football shaped or this shaped object

398
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that he got close enough to see the

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object but when you read the report in

400
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the air force file it says it was just a

401
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streak of light in the far distance

402
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and then later on don berliner who was a

403
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ufo investigator and written quite a bit

404
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of stuff about ufos in various magazines

405
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and done a book or two

406
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he interviewed the sheriff

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in the mid-1970s 1974 i think it i think

408
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it appeared in the 1975 issue of

409
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official ufo

410
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and in that article he the sheriff again

411
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mentions having seen an object as

412
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opposed to a streak of light so what we

413
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see here is

414
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he told reporters

415
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before the air force showed up that he

416
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had seen the object and that sort of

417
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thing he told

418
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berliner after the air force left that

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he had seen the object but the air force

420
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report just talks about the streak of

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light in the distance the other

422
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interesting thing is don berlin

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burlinson

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who lives in roswell by the way

425
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which is about three hours away by car

426
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from from level land is not a bad drive

427
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interviewed the sheriff and the

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sheriff's daughter the sheriff had

429
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passed away before burlington got there

430
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and they were talking about what the

431
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sheriff's seen

432
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and

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through his investigations he also found

434
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the former mechanic for the sheriff's

435
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department and the mechanic said the day

436
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after the sightings the sheriff brought

437
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the car in to see if there was anything

438
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wrong with it

439
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now the only reason i can think he would

440
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have done that was because his car was

441
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,279
stalled as well so he got close enough

442
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to see an object he got close enough for

443
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:05,839
him for his car to be stalled and then

444
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there's a

445
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,040
another exciting part of this

446
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he was in a convoy with three other cars

447
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it was the sheriff and one of his

448
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deputies there was a car of state police

449
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,240
i think it's the department texas

450
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department of public safety and in the

451
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third car following him were a couple of

452
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officers from reese air force base which

453
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:24,880
is in lubbock so if the sheriff got

454
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close enough to see the object and his

455
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car stalled then the state police got

456
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,519
close enough as did the air force but

457
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,000
there's no indications that barth in his

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investigation talk to the air force

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officers and i can find no documentation

460
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,720
or records of the air force officers

461
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,480
having been interrogated about their

462
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,040
experiences chasing down this ufo so

463
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,079
that suggests more than just

464
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:50,079
being classified secret but also part of

465
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,440
a cover-up

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interesting now when something is

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classified administration use only or

468
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whatever you just said is it subject to

469
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foia

470
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,199
freedom of information act

471
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you can request foia for anything i mean

472
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it doesn't have to be a classified

473
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:08,640
document for you to use foia to request

474
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:09,760
it but uh

475
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:12,319
the the for official use only um just

476
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implies you're not handing the things

477
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:15,039
out

478
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,880
but if somebody asked for it you'd say

479
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yeah here it is

480
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um it's it's

481
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it's real

482
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classified material requires

483
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safeguarding it has to be in a safe

484
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and if it's if it's top secret it has to

485
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be in a vault not just a safe but in a

486
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vault and the the safes have to have

487
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:34,960
certain specifications have to be really

488
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really heavy

489
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like 600 pounds so it's impossible to to

490
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,000
move them easily and that sort of thing

491
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,760
but when you get to foia you can leave

492
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it on your desk put it in your desk

493
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,520
drawer it's just really not a high level

494
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,120
of classification it just kind of

495
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restricts the circulation of the

496
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material as opposed to

497
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you know circulating it throughout the

498
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,400
united states air force type thing but

499
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,559
but for official use only is just not

500
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,480
that highly classified it's really not a

501
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,400
classification per se

502
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i see i see so let's go into the case

503
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from the very beginning

504
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uh on on november 2nd

505
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:12,720
uh who was the first to report it and

506
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,320
what happened the problem we run into is

507
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the sightings began a little bit prior

508
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to the activities in level land there

509
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,679
was a couple up near amarillo which is

510
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also in the panhandle of texas by the

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way

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and they had uh they had run into a

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uh something sitting on the

514
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uh the road in front of them in a fog

515
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and it was a kind of a ufo type thing

516
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and it stalled their car when it left

517
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they couldn't get their car started

518
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,440
again and had to be towed into amarillo

519
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and found out that the battery had fried

520
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and in fact prior to that at three

521
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o'clock in the morning of november

522
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second

523
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um

524
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,760
near canadian texas there was a landing

525
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where the the

526
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object stalled the car engines of two

527
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separate people on opposite sides of

528
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where the object land installed the car

529
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,600
so you have those sorts of things going

530
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:03,039
on but they didn't draw a lot of

531
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:04,000
attention

532
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,440
the couple in amarillo went to the

533
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,880
police to report on it and the police

534
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:08,160
didn't even bother writing down their

535
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:09,120
names

536
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they just you know they just didn't

537
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,960
think that much about it although a

538
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,559
police officer did go out to where their

539
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,960
car would had stalled and couldn't find

540
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,520
any evidence so now we move down into

541
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the the level land area there were some

542
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,679
farmers near pettit texas which is a

543
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:25,600
very small town

544
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,600
this doesn't appear on all the maps um

545
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,679
using their combines

546
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,400
in in their in their farming

547
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,160
and the engines of those stalled this

548
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:38,080
was reported to the sheriff sometime

549
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,280
later

550
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,360
but it happened prior to that the first

551
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:43,760
case that gets widespread

552
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,080
circulation and attention was pedro

553
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:48,320
saucido who was a

554
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,480
he's he's labeled as a farmhand a barber

555
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,799
that kind of thing he's a

556
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:56,720
veteran of the korean war so i give him

557
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,360
some props for that

558
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,440
he and his friend were driving on the

559
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,360
highway toward level land when the thing

560
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,200
landed near them and the car his truck's

561
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,640
engine stalled in fact the front cover

562
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,799
that you showed that's pedro cecido and

563
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,600
his

564
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,520
partner seeing the ufo well when the

565
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,280
thing landed cecido

566
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,960
was

567
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,039
installed his car cecedo dived out of

568
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,640
the truck and rolled underneath it for

569
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,240
protection and as passengers sat there

570
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,840
sort of paralyzed unable to move

571
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,240
watching this brightly glowing blue

572
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,640
object as it landed near them

573
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:28,880
the car engine stalled the headlights

574
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,159
failed the radio was filled with static

575
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,280
once the

576
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,159
object turned to bright red and took off

577
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,840
saucido got back in the truck and i

578
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,400
believe he started the engine then

579
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,720
so uh he took an action to start the

580
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,240
engine as near as i can tell by reading

581
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,919
the various

582
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,679
reports and he got a lot of play in the

583
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,360
press as well

584
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,760
that that it did not start spontaneously

585
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,200
he had to start it

586
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,039
but he was still so frightened by what

587
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,880
he had seen he didn't continue on to

588
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,480
level land he went to another town and

589
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,360
called the sheriff to tell him about it

590
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,400
the

591
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,760
officer i think his name was fowler

592
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,120
didn't think much of it thought the guys

593
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,360
were drunk i mean

594
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,440
a big glowing egg lands near your truck

595
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,559
and stalls it yeah i believe you

596
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:15,760
but then they started getting other

597
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,200
calls from other people around the area

598
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,440
uh for the next uh two hours two and a

599
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,280
half hours they were getting calls from

600
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:25,200
separate locations around the level land

601
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,230
had been on installing his car others on

602
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,000
that highway came across the object and

603
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,919
installed their cars as well and they

604
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,600
would call in and talk to the the

605
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:39,679
sheriff about this or talk to the police

606
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,400
they

607
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,400
the sheriff eventually became convinced

608
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,720
something was going on they

609
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,919
couldn't believe it was some kind of

610
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,679
massive joke and that's when he decided

611
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,120
he was going to go out look for the

612
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,280
object the reese air force base guys

613
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,039
were already there and so that's why we

614
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,039
had this three-car convoy going out

615
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,520
looking for the object

616
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,360
the air force report says he got within

617
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:02,080
900 i think 900 yards of it that's quite

618
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,280
a distance

619
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,120
the sheriff said he got much much closer

620
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,799
in the earlier audit articles and then

621
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,159
the later article as well when he talked

622
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,480
to don berliner

623
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,880
and it's clear that that his car stalled

624
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,360
as well but there were there was a uh

625
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,360
ronald martin said the same thing got

626
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,120
close his car stalled

627
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,720
there were a number of different people

628
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,559
who did that the sheriff said later in

629
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,520
one of the newspaper articles that

630
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,520
he'd gotten dozens of phone calls about

631
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,919
this as opposed to just the uh the

632
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,679
number that had been reported in the

633
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:33,600
newspapers and the numbers reported to

634
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,240
the

635
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,440
interestingly

636
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,240
the the air force did a brilliant job of

637
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,120
of diverting the conversation

638
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,880
and there's a letter in the

639
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,400
project blue book files where the air

640
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,679
force says we don't want to respond to

641
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,760
this we want to see what nycap has to

642
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,960
say first

643
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,120
because it's easier to respond to them

644
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,200
than it is to put out your statement

645
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,440
first so they waited until

646
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,360
uh don quijote nycamp put out a

647
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,960
statement he talked about witnesses at

648
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,440
nine locations or nine witnesses to it

649
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,880
the air force came out and said no there

650
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,320
was only three witnesses there only

651
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,000
three people who saw an object so you

652
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,600
see they've diverted the conversation

653
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,760
from what happened to the number of

654
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,000
witnesses and if you go through the air

655
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,000
force file

656
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,080
carefully i think you can find at least

657
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,320
five witnesses as opposed to the three

658
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,400
that the air force talked about

659
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,760
and if you go through the other

660
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,840
documentation the newspaper articles and

661
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,919
that sort of thing you find witnesses at

662
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,200
13

663
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,280
locations i mean designated witnesses at

664
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,360
13 separate locations

665
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,960
so they're independent of one another

666
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,120
calling in and there's a timeline of who

667
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,200
called in at what time

668
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,679
so you can see how the thing transpired

669
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,679
over the evening of november 2nd into

670
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,679
the morning of november 3rd

671
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,480
about an hour or so after the sighting

672
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,480
stopped in level land there's a site

673
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,159
there's sightings in

674
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,720
uh white sands missile range at the time

675
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,039
it was white sands proving ground uh two

676
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,240
mps on patrol up i think they were close

677
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,679
to the trinity site so they're in the

678
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,679
northern part of the range up just south

679
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,880
of the socorro area in in that area away

680
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,640
from alamogordo because white sands

681
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,159
missile range covers an awful lot of

682
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,000
territory

683
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,440
and they were

684
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,960
saw something that came down and they

685
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,960
said it came

686
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,880
it came lower than the the mountains

687
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:21,200
behind it so it was you know the

688
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,400
mountains were you could see the

689
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,240
mountains behind the object as it sat

690
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,600
close to the ground

691
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,200
and then it took off the air force of

692
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,799
course investigated said well these guys

693
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,120
were hysterical because of the ufo

694
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,640
sightings that had been

695
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,559
discussed in levelland texas except of

696
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,799
course this was 1957 and we didn't have

697
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,640
social media and we didn't have the news

698
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,120
media on a 24-hour news cycle

699
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,039
and so they had no way of knowing that

700
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,679
what had gone on in in level and

701
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,880
which is

702
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,760
much further away than roswell uh to to

703
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,480
uh

704
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,640
to level and

705
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,320
roswell's between

706
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,080
white sands and and level land is what

707
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,679
i'm trying to say in a

708
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:00,720
somewhat haphazard way i guess

709
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,000
but the air force made little of uh

710
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,400
dismissed it as them being young men

711
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,200
easily frightened poorly trained

712
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,240
i'm thinking yeah i i know because the

713
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:14,240
they were talking about them being 20 21

714
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,360
years old

715
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,279
and i'm thinking let's see i was 19

716
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,720
years old i was in vietnam as a

717
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,520
helicopter pilot and aircraft commander

718
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,279
and the guy we called pappy because he

719
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:25,039
was the oldest pilot in the unit i mean

720
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,760
the

721
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,200
pilot that

722
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,559
didn't have another function like

723
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,559
operations officer commander

724
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,480
we called him pappy because he was the

725
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,360
oldest pilot he was 23.

726
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,640
and so

727
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,520
we have we have these youngsters such as

728
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,600
myself at 19

729
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,440
with very responsible jobs in the

730
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,200
military i mean an aircraft commander is

731
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,200
responsible for that that aircraft and

732
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,120
the crew on board and and your

733
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,279
passengers or whatever you're doing

734
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,440
and so the air force to belittle these

735
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,200
guys as being well they were just not

736
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,960
well educated they just weren't well

737
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,480
trained and they were hysterical it's

738
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,480
just really dismissive of that whole

739
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,320
part of the case i talked to one of the

740
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,919
guys glenn toy

741
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,400
a number of years ago and that that

742
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,840
information is mentioned in the book as

743
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,960
well

744
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,600
and you see that they saw something

745
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,360
that was truly

746
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,200
uh anomalous

747
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:17,919
uh around 12 hours later

748
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,440
a second team of mps also

749
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,120
youngsters like that

750
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,039
had another sighting in the area i don't

751
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,480
think it got as close to that they

752
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,840
didn't get as close to it as the first

753
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,760
group did but the air force dismissed

754
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,600
the sightings as first venus and later

755
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,679
the moon so

756
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,919
these mps saying that basically venus

757
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:39,120
landed out at white sands missile range

758
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,840
and

759
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,080
then a couple of days later on november

760
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,840
6th a guy named

761
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,799
stokes james stokes was driving driving

762
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,760
from alamogordo to el paso and if you've

763
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,679
been on that road and i have many many

764
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,480
times

765
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,799
there's a place called oro grande

766
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,480
it's a little little

767
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,919
little um

768
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,799
town

769
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,520
and his car engine was stalled

770
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,360
but he said that as he

771
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,880
coasted to a stop there were six or

772
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,880
seven cars in front of them they were

773
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,039
also pulled over to the side of the road

774
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,480
and they were watching something in the

775
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,400
sky and it was an egg-shaped craft

776
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,480
swooping around in the sky

777
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,640
stokes got some

778
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,399
kind of a sunburn

779
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
from staring at this thing if you

780
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,760
remember close encounters of the third

781
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,120
kind and richard dreyfuss getting the

782
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,720
sunburn on

783
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799
his face in his arm

784
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,039
that's james stokes that's what happened

785
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,200
to him it was very faint

786
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,039
coral lorenzen from the aerial phenomena

787
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,559
research organization stokes of course

788
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,559
lived in alamogordo and he knew jim

789
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,279
lorenzen so once he got back from el

790
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,960
paso he called

791
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,399
jim lorenzen to tell him about the

792
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,600
sighting

793
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:46,640
and uh both coral and jim lorenzen saw

794
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,909
the the air force dismissed his sighting

795
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,679
of somebody wanting publicity and the

796
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,360
first thing he did was call the news

797
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,279
media well that's that's really not true

798
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,720
the first thing stokes did when he got

799
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,600
back was call his boss out at alamogordo

800
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,760
because he was a civilian contractor at

801
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,640
alamogordo or a consultant and asked if

802
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,640
he could talk about his ufo sighting and

803
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,120
his boss a major said go ahead

804
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,720
you didn't happen on air force time we

805
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,559
don't care talk about it so he called

806
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,799
jim lorenzen who called the news

807
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,000
the uh radio station in alamogordo and

808
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,840
that's how stokes ended up at the at the

809
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,399
radio station talking to it and the

810
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,039
guy's name was clark that he talked to

811
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,399
also saw the

812
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,320
uh sunburn effect by the time the air

813
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
force got there the involved in the

814
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,320
investigation of course the sun burn had

815
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:38,159
faded so there was no big deal about

816
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,960
that

817
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,600
but it's it's this whole

818
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,880
group of sightings that took place in a

819
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,320
very small confined area of west texas

820
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,799
and new mexico southern new mexico

821
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,360
on the second and third of of november

822
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,440
stokes was on the sixth and then we go

823
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,640
back and you look and there's other

824
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,320
sightings around the country that came

825
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,720
about later on after after the second

826
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,240
after the news media

827
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,559
got involved in it one of the witnesses

828
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,480
to the level land end of the sightings

829
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,440
actually heard about it and his parents

830
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,520
suggested he call

831
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,200
because he'd had his car style he the

832
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,720
parents insisted he called the sheriff

833
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,159
and let them know that that he had been

834
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:18,159
involved in this as well so that one was

835
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,279
kind of general you could say was

836
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,360
generated by the the news media reports

837
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:23,919
but that was late the next afternoon it

838
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:27,600
wasn't wasn't that same same day

839
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,559
so it's it's a a wide group of sightings

840
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,159
and it's important because you have the

841
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,240
ufo interacting with the environment

842
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,640
meaning stalling car engines yeah

843
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,600
and if

844
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,200
the investigation had been conducted

845
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,960
properly at that time we might have

846
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,279
learned some some interesting stuff on

847
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,679
november 3rd the next afternoon the

848
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,679
sheriff and the provost marshal from

849
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,200
reese air force base went out looking

850
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:51,120
for landing traces

851
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,399
and the newspaper said well they didn't

852
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,679
find anything

853
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,440
but according to

854
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,039
the the widow

855
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,720
and the daughter

856
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,039
they did find a landing trace it was i

857
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,640
think i if i remember correctly it was

858
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,640
north of town on a

859
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:06,159
ranch out there

860
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:06,840
and

861
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,679
burlington talked to the daughter of the

862
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:10,880
the rancher

863
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,799
looked at the burn area so they saw it

864
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,480
and the sheriff saw it so there was a

865
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,640
burned area so now we have we have it

866
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,000
interacting with the environment by

867
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,679
stalling the car engines we have landing

868
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,520
traces we have witness independent

869
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,360
witnesses reporting the same sort of

870
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,799
phenomenon

871
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,799
over and over again in a very limited

872
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,200
space of time in a very limited area of

873
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,600
level land texas now had we

874
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,520
not spent seven hours investigating the

875
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,320
case but done it properly

876
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,360
think of the things we might have

877
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,880
learned the air force finally concluded

878
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,480
it was ball lightning

879
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,159
that caused the level land sightings i

880
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,840
know of no case in which ball lightning

881
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,919
has ever stalled a car engine

882
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,399
and ball lightning if you read the

883
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,679
literature about it there's still a

884
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,679
controversy whether well lightning even

885
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,240
exists right but it's a very short life

886
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,559
phenomenon and it's uh

887
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,120
it's 18 inches to two feet in diameter i

888
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,600
mean it's just not very big and it lasts

889
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,080
for seconds yeah so we have

890
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,600
one i think one of the witnesses said

891
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,760
that the he watched the thing for 15

892
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,640
minutes

893
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,399
as it sat on the ground and once it left

894
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,080
then he could start his car another one

895
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,760
watched it for five minutes so they were

896
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,519
watching it for

897
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,880
everybody we're reporting seeing the

898
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440
thing for over a minute except for the

899
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,200
sheriff in the air force report says

900
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,200
well it just just for two seconds and it

901
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,880
was in the distance until you talk to

902
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,640
him without the influence of the air

903
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,919
force and you find out that they got

904
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,000
much closer and the sighting lasted much

905
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,279
longer

906
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,039
interesting now

907
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,120
the same thing that

908
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,120
could cause a sunburn you know i think

909
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,960
of the first thing i think of is like

910
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,080
radiation like you know the speculation

911
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,679
with the um

912
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:46,559
cash

913
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,440
uh

914
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,440
landrum landrum thank you cash landrum

915
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,720
case you know possibly radiation

916
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,679
but

917
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,399
with that also what makes a car stall

918
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,200
that can we make car stalls if i mean we

919
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,279
probably have some type of weaponry that

920
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,720
we've developed to do something like

921
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,720
that right well during the world second

922
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:07,039
world war japanese tried to

923
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,000
um

924
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,200
invent something a electromagnetic

925
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,240
gun

926
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,039
that would stall aircraft engines so if

927
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,480
you could put that in your fighter

928
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,320
planes and you could stall the engine of

929
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,000
your enemies fighters you've got a great

930
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,080
advantage over them oh i guess but they

931
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,679
could only get it to work within about

932
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,080
five feet

933
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,720
so i didn't work and there was uh it

934
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,760
could it

935
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,679
generated a field that could kill as

936
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,640
well

937
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,000
um i think we know the uh microwave

938
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,080
microwave antennas i know we had a

939
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,600
couple of helicopters with microwave

940
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,360
antennas and we were you know

941
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,960
do not approach this antenna when the

942
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,279
aircraft is operating because you could

943
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,760
you could be burned by the microwave

944
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,039
energy and of course we all have

945
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:50,799
microwave ovens now so we understand

946
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,960
that yeah um so yeah there is

947
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:56,399
weaponry

948
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,919
from this sort of thing we do know it

949
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,559
works we do know it can suppress engines

950
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,000
the problem with the condom committee

951
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,200
they could think of nothing that would

952
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,399
cause the engine to spontaneously

953
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,320
start once you remove the

954
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,720
electromagnetic field and allow the

955
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:15,039
electrons to flow the the headlights

956
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,559
would come on because that's a different

957
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,240
thing but you have to do something to

958
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,840
start the engine once you've once you've

959
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,360
killed it using the

960
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,240
electromagnetic effect there are reports

961
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,840
of people saying their cars started

962
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,600
spontaneously and they make a big deal

963
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,360
of it i said one of the as pointed out

964
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,200
one of the guys in the level on case

965
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,799
just insisted that his car started

966
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,039
spontaneously he took no action to start

967
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,519
it everybody else seemed to have had to

968
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,159
do something to get the car to start so

969
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,600
that was one of the reasons the condom

970
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,240
committee rejected the idea of this

971
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,240
because they got hung up on this idea

972
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:47,120
that the

973
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,320
all the cars

974
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,240
would restart spontaneously and they

975
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,600
could think of no mechanism where that

976
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,519
would happen no physical mechanism that

977
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,039
would allow that

978
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,640
i can't think of anything either

979
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:57,679
actually

980
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,600
again once it was stalled without

981
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,600
someone turning the key

982
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,360
you know over to start

983
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,039
or rolling downhill and popping the

984
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,599
clutch yeah something like that i mean

985
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:11,359
it is bizarre but i i have heard of

986
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,720
those cases as well which uh

987
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,480
and who is the one that wrote the book

988
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,520
years ago about cars stalls

989
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,440
the one that i know of is mark rodinger

990
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,359
has done the um

991
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,040
vehicle interference survey that he

992
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,800
conducted for the center field studies

993
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,599
which was a great assistance in in my uh

994
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,079
research the other thing is there's been

995
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,320
a number of sort of ancillary studies

996
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,679
done as well a guy named eric hare

997
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,520
was collecting stories of compass

998
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,800
interference

999
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,800
and you look at um

1000
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,560
the history of this sort of thing the

1001
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,079
kenneth arnold sighting arnold didn't

1002
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,599
have a problem with this but a farmer

1003
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,359
named farmer a uh

1004
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,560
prospector

1005
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,240
named fred johnson

1006
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,320
about 15 minutes after arnold sighting

1007
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,200
ended and he's he's also in washington

1008
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,960
and these things flew over his side and

1009
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,880
caused his compass to spin

1010
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,040
so there was that sort of suggest the

1011
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,119
magnetic effect there's been a number of

1012
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,280
cases like that and i think

1013
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,640
um

1014
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,160
eric in an

1015
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,000
is it i'm not sure his friend may have

1016
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,160
been frank ridge that

1017
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,839
was involved in that but they collected

1018
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,800
140 150 cases of

1019
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,160
interference with compasses and i

1020
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,599
outlined a couple of those in the book

1021
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,280
as well because we're looking for other

1022
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,599
aspects of this electromagnetic effect

1023
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,440
there's the animals react to it

1024
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,560
periodically and it suggests not all ufo

1025
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,640
sightings have these

1026
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,800
sort of things manifest themselves but

1027
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,200
there are a great number of sightings

1028
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,839
where animals react to the the close

1029
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,920
approach of the ufo their the car engine

1030
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:43,839
stall the radio stations have been

1031
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,119
knocked off the air power failures

1032
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,839
and there's four cases that we found

1033
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,599
that kind of crack me up where the cars

1034
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,880
change color

1035
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,720
because of this approach of the ufo and

1036
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,000
one of them

1037
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,560
and talk about it in the book the guy

1038
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,920
comes home and i can't remember whether

1039
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,440
the car was gray and it turned green or

1040
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,880
if it was green and turned gray but he

1041
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,000
came home

1042
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,839
after the close approach of the ufo and

1043
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,920
his wife says you buy a new car because

1044
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,520
it was a different color

1045
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,160
we found like four cases like that where

1046
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,560
there were some influence on the color

1047
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,800
was there a permanent color change yeah

1048
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,480
yeah it was a permanent that would that

1049
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,880
would be something again it would seem

1050
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,560
like a radiation or something like that

1051
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,560
could cause an effect like that now they

1052
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,040
have a car there's a new car coming out

1053
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,560
this year that you can actually change

1054
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,240
the color on

1055
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,440
with a it's a it has a skin over it so

1056
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,119
with the push of a button

1057
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,839
you can just change the color

1058
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,560
uh well and there was a number of paints

1059
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,560
that came out at all a number of years

1060
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,640
ago and i remember seeing a mustang that

1061
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:46,880
was painted in this

1062
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,520
really expensive paint and depending on

1063
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,280
the lighting and

1064
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,200
the time of day and everything it would

1065
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,720
change color

1066
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:57,359
uh yeah but it was some something that

1067
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:03,030
paint scheme it was it was designed to

1068
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:04,320
do that

1069
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,200
but there

1070
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,280
we've only found a couple of cases where

1071
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,200
close approach of the ufo

1072
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,359
uh causes the paint to change color but

1073
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,640
the thing i'd say about the

1074
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
electromagnetic radiation would be

1075
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,400
electromagnetic radiation it is a form

1076
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,400
of radiation just as light as a form of

1077
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,160
radiation and heat is form of radiation

1078
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,440
we're not talking about uh um

1079
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,440
something in the atomic

1080
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,680
uh realm that's

1081
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,680
radioactive but it is a form of

1082
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,960
radiation

1083
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:31,760
yeah

1084
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
if there was a great deal of heat

1085
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,040
where he could make something like that

1086
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,440
happen as well as far as i mean that

1087
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,359
that's just it's again it's just

1088
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,240
fascinating but um well that's a problem

1089
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,760
you see we're looking we're talking

1090
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,400
about cases that place a long time ago a

1091
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,119
long time ago and the problem is when

1092
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,359
they were investigated nobody did ask

1093
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,960
the right questions

1094
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,880
because i know

1095
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,040
in the cases where the cars change color

1096
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,800
i don't know of a great

1097
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,560
deal of heat being applied

1098
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
and that would have been a quick

1099
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:07,040
question you know did you feel a great

1100
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,670
yeah exactly

1101
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,040
well you're you're frozen i'm not sure

1102
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,720
what's going on you're frozen so while

1103
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,320
that's happening hopefully you'll come

1104
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:22,160
right back from this

1105
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,200
yeah

1106
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,079
are you froze there for a second kevin

1107
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,960
um not my fault

1108
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,880
it's the internet

1109
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,240
since you're freezing i'm going to show

1110
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,880
this here uh i i just think it's really

1111
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,480
cool this is the

1112
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,839
car that changes color it's bmw

1113
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,720
so

1114
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,920
they have this new tech technology it's

1115
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,480
some type of skin or something like that

1116
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,520
and uh

1117
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:48,720
so

1118
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,359
i like german cars

1119
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,920
so i'm just showing this because i think

1120
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,359
it's another really

1121
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,760
very interesting thing and uh i'm sure

1122
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,680
people are going to pay a fortune for it

1123
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,920
i don't know exactly why but

1124
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,240
anyway well if you have enough money it

1125
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,560
probably doesn't matter that's right

1126
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,119
yeah yeah for the rest of us it's wow i

1127
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,480
can't afford that yeah yeah right right

1128
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,640
but uh so

1129
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,000
getting back to

1130
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,000
what car causes a car distal

1131
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,520
electromagnetic

1132
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,119
now are there

1133
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,160
reasons why i mean i i know that if we

1134
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,520
ever had like an electromagnetic pulse a

1135
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,720
real severe one like from um

1136
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,040
a nuclear warhead going off in our upper

1137
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,720
atmosphere or something like that it

1138
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,280
would just totally knock out anything

1139
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,320
through a pulse like that so would a

1140
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,200
minor pulse temporarily

1141
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,880
you know what what knocks out a car

1142
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,680
temporarily and makes it usable after

1143
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,040
that's kind of what i'm getting at do

1144
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,280
you know i think the electromagnetic

1145
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,440
pulse you're talking about and i and i

1146
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:57,040
use the term electromagnetic pulse so

1147
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,320
they can realize it's sort of the same

1148
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,240
thing we've been talking about here

1149
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,320
uh is so overwhelming it fries the

1150
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,800
electronics in the cars

1151
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,119
so the idea is if you had a car from the

1152
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,119
1950s without all the electronics in it

1153
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,040
you probably could get it to start again

1154
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,960
right you may have to roll it down the

1155
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,040
hill and pop the clutch yeah

1156
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,319
yeah

1157
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,200
and i think that i think that's it i i

1158
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,680
but my impression is the

1159
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,359
electromagnetic field surrounding these

1160
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,839
ufos is

1161
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,079
limited it's not really widespread you

1162
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,520
have to get pretty close for it to

1163
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,400
affect your car so it in that respect it

1164
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,119
seems to be somewhat of a weaker field

1165
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,280
there are cases where

1166
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,880
and again talk about it in the book a

1167
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,200
guy got close to one and it distorted

1168
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:43,200
the rear window of his

1169
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,000
car

1170
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,960
he had a a um convertible so the rear

1171
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,720
window was sort of plastic and it was

1172
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:51,599
distorted but it also wiped out the uh

1173
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,119
cassette tapes he had in his in his car

1174
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,680
uh you know degassed the tapes i guess

1175
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,079
you'd say yeah so we do have those kind

1176
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,800
of effects reported as well so but it's

1177
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,720
always it's it's limited it's not every

1178
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,480
ufo sighting it's a

1179
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,640
a small minority of the sightings where

1180
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,839
we get this this electromagnetic effect

1181
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,520
yeah and and

1182
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,720
like i said i think rodinger had

1183
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,400
485 cases in his book and it went to

1184
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,599
1985 or something like that there's been

1185
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,400
cases after that and i outlined a number

1186
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,839
of those in in the book as well that

1187
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,160
took place after rotaker had finished

1188
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,000
his research onto it so it's an ongoing

1189
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:31,680
phenomenon as well

1190
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,040
i think um frank ridge

1191
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,200
on his radar network

1192
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,280
one of the things they look for is an

1193
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,760
anomaly in the magnetic fields around

1194
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,160
what they call the node station it's a

1195
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,800
sort of a magnetometer that

1196
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,440
measures the ambient

1197
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,440
uh electromagnetic radiation and if

1198
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,040
there's a spike in it it will trigger an

1199
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,720
alert on the uh

1200
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,480
on the devices it has a number of other

1201
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,560
sensors that picks up other anomalies as

1202
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,040
well but that's kind of the thing behind

1203
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,040
the idea of a ufo detector it's looking

1204
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,119
for the electromagnetic fields you can

1205
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,160
go on to amazon and you can buy a

1206
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,079
commercial version of a ufo detector i

1207
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,680
don't know how good they are

1208
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,200
i know with the radar network and i

1209
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,960
think their equipment's probably much

1210
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680
more sensitive they get quite a number

1211
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,000
of faults positive the detector will go

1212
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,000
off but they there is no corresponding

1213
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:24,160
siding there are cases where the

1214
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,520
detector's gone off and there's a

1215
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,359
corresponding siding and those are kind

1216
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,480
of exciting because you've got another

1217
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:31,760
data stream

1218
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,079
yeah but but um i think that

1219
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,839
the fields around the ufos are pretty

1220
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,400
well localized it doesn't spread out

1221
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,720
over a wide area like an electromagnetic

1222
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,960
pulse from an atomic weapon would and i

1223
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,400
don't think it's nearly as strong as

1224
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,319
that so it doesn't necessarily fry the

1225
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,640
electronics because if that was true i

1226
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,400
think we'd have problems where you'd get

1227
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,079
up one morning and your

1228
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,760
all your electronics in your house might

1229
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,440
be fried because of a close approach of

1230
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,910
and i know of no cases well there's one

1231
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,760
case where they they

1232
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,760
there are people who've talked about

1233
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
where the electronics in their houses

1234
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,839
failed and there's no

1235
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,079
external explanation for

1236
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,920
and you also hear a lot of times about

1237
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,079
batteries that are drained

1238
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,440
like people and i don't know if that

1239
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,599
could even be related in any type of way

1240
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,560
to any type of magnetic situation i know

1241
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,560
definitely when a tape is erased that's

1242
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:27,680
definitely a magnetic situation but

1243
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,119
that people have said video cameras of

1244
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,839
cell phone cell phones the battery

1245
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,440
completely drained while they're trying

1246
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,319
to to film or other other failures of

1247
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,560
the camera the video phone

1248
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,400
the cell phone cameras that was one of

1249
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,240
the things i've been looking into and my

1250
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,000
next report on coast to coast may do

1251
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,400
that if i can if or unless something

1252
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,200
else comes up but looking at cases where

1253
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,520
people have tried to video

1254
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:56,000
using their cell phones and the camera

1255
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,119
fails

1256
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,960
they'll just get they'll get

1257
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,359
audio but no visual um

1258
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,599
the camera won't turn on there's all

1259
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,359
kinds of failures related to the camera

1260
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,960
once the ufo is gone then the things

1261
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,720
begin to work properly again but and

1262
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,640
then that's also true remember we have

1263
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,760
the the the couple near amarillo whose

1264
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,920
car battery was

1265
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,720
drained by close approach of the ufo

1266
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,800
battery didn't work anymore so yeah

1267
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,960
that's another side effect of of the

1268
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,000
ufos and those those sorts of um

1269
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,920
cases are much much rarer than just your

1270
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,400
general em effect case

1271
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,240
right now what about

1272
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,440
the aftermath of this of this day you

1273
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,760
said this on the third

1274
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,880
that

1275
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,720
who was who was looking into this did

1276
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,480
the air force actually look into this

1277
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:44,960
quietly

1278
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,839
and noisily and i say that i say that

1279
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,680
because uh as i mentioned norman barth

1280
00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:53,200
who was a staff sergeant he was part of

1281
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,040
the

1282
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,599
1006

1283
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,280
air intelligence service squadron and

1284
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,920
they he was based in

1285
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,599
colorado springs

1286
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,520
which is basically

1287
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,599
not all that far from level land and of

1288
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,720
course

1289
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,160
he would have access to air force

1290
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,520
aircraft so if they had a training

1291
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,200
flight going to reece air force base

1292
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,720
well he just hopped on board so he got

1293
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,800
down there pretty quick he spent a total

1294
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,960
of seven hours in level land

1295
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,400
um

1296
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,400
and we don't know who all he talked we

1297
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,560
we know he talked to six people we don't

1298
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,400
know if he talked to anybody else he

1299
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,480
disappeared for a number of hours we

1300
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,480
don't know where he went he showed up at

1301
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,640
the sheriff's office around 11 o'clock

1302
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,079
in the morning he talked to the sheriff

1303
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,680
he talked to some people he went away he

1304
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:34,960
came back to the sheriff's office about

1305
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,000
3 45 2 45 in the afternoon

1306
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,359
and that was kind of it and then

1307
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,119
he went back and filled out his report

1308
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,040
and he had all kinds of excuses he said

1309
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,720
well you know the weather was bad it was

1310
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,200
drizzly and kind of stormy in the area

1311
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,560
but you look at the weather records and

1312
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,280
that's not true

1313
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,880
he said that

1314
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,200
the in that area there's a lot of

1315
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,880
oil drilling going on that's part of the

1316
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,160
permian basin it runs from west texas

1317
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,599
actually to roswell's part of the

1318
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,839
permian basin's big oil field

1319
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,160
that they periodically tap and then they

1320
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,079
turn it off and they turn it back on but

1321
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,839
they would burn off the excess gases you

1322
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,800
know at the top of the oil wells or the

1323
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,800
cracking facilities they said well the

1324
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,160
people who were seeing that reflected

1325
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,359
off the clouds and i'm thinking yeah

1326
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,640
they've lived i've lived there for 20

1327
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,400
years i've never seen that happen so i'm

1328
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,800
going to get confused by it

1329
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,400
they came up with these excuses but in

1330
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,160
the end they just said well it was ball

1331
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,359
lightning and let it go with that and

1332
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,520
that's still the explanation in the uh

1333
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,119
official record

1334
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,520
so he spent that time doing it but what

1335
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,200
bothers me is we've got air force

1336
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,640
officers who are involved we've got air

1337
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,400
force officers the provost marshal as i

1338
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,079
mentioned was out there with the sheriff

1339
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,000
the next day looking we know that there

1340
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,520
were air force officers with the sheriff

1341
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,040
that night

1342
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,960
traveling with him because i found i

1343
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,640
found some documentation to support that

1344
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,000
but i can find no record of an

1345
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,680
inheritation of the air force officers

1346
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,040
so you have to ask yourself where did

1347
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,200
that go if i'm

1348
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,800
conducting a

1349
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,359
comprehensive

1350
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,760
investigation of this sighting and i

1351
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,760
know fellow air force officers are

1352
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,440
involved i'm going to want to talk to

1353
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,560
them

1354
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,720
and exactly and i'm going to think that

1355
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,880
their information is going to be much

1356
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,040
better than the average civilian

1357
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,720
right because

1358
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:19,119
of their background and i would imagine

1359
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,400
and i'm guessing here because i don't

1360
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,839
know who they were but i would guess

1361
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,440
that the operations officer would have

1362
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,119
been one of those officers i'm guessing

1363
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,640
one of the intelligence officers would

1364
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,720
have been one of the officers out there

1365
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,160
and both those men would have been

1366
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,520
trained in specific things

1367
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,920
the operations officer has a grounding

1368
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,599
in a lot of the activities going on in

1369
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,599
the base because that's kind of his job

1370
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,440
to manage this stuff

1371
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,040
especially the air activities and the

1372
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,640
intelligence office of course would be

1373
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,400
trained in gathering intelligence that's

1374
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,760
what he does

1375
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,680
and disseminating it to people so if i'm

1376
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,119
there i want to talk to those guys

1377
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,400
there's no indication they were ever

1378
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,000
talked to there's no indication that

1379
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,079
barth even talked to the provost marshal

1380
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,520
was out there the next day with this

1381
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,200
sheriff and we've got documentation

1382
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,960
supporting that as well

1383
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,800
so you have to wonder about the quality

1384
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,359
of the investor the the investigation we

1385
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,400
know about

1386
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,000
and we have to wonder well didn't they

1387
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,680
do something a little bit more and a

1388
00:48:12,110 --> 00:48:10,960
little bit more

1389
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:12,120
clandestine than

1390
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,200
[Music]

1391
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,599
the barth showing up to kind of

1392
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,359
chat up the locals and tell people not

1393
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,599
to talk about it and go away and my

1394
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,280
answer is yes of course they gathered

1395
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,800
that information from the air force

1396
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,240
officers who were involved and there may

1397
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,079
have been other air force officers in

1398
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,640
the area in civilian clothing gathering

1399
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,240
information there's even indications the

1400
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,319
fbi was involved the sheriff mentioned

1401
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,559
that the fbi suggested he not talk about

1402
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,520
it

1403
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,599
so we've got a

1404
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,319
wide range of indications of a more

1405
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,960
in-depth investigation but we can't find

1406
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,400
and i shouldn't say we because i don't

1407
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,839
think a lot of people look for it but i

1408
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,920
couldn't find anything taking me any

1409
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,880
deeper

1410
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,720
into it where those records would be

1411
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:53,200
housed or how they would be stored or

1412
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,079
what

1413
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
code word i needed to to access them

1414
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,559
through foia

1415
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,520
yeah

1416
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,400
and so that was 64 years or so ago i'm

1417
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,319
sure that you know for there to be any

1418
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,280
witnesses alive there's probably that

1419
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,040
dashed that hope

1420
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,680
um well well now as i said don burlinson

1421
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,920
was there a couple of decades ago and

1422
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,359
and the sheriff had passed away but his

1423
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,800
wife was still alive his daughter was

1424
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,440
still alive yeah and we're at the same

1425
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,359
point with the roswell case which is

1426
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,359
coming up on 75 years ago so you're

1427
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,520
looking at people who would have been

1428
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960
uh you might have had a 20 year old

1429
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,280
private or buck sergeant there in

1430
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,040
roswell in 1947 he'd be 95 now yeah i

1431
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,359
think the oldest guy i talked to

1432
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,880
military guy he talked to in the roswell

1433
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,200
case was 89 years old he was sharp as

1434
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,640
attack and the only thing he really told

1435
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,079
me is oh we were told not to talk about

1436
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,839
it and forget everything we'd seen and i

1437
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,200
thought that was kind of a hoot i got a

1438
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,880
book coming out called understanding

1439
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,520
roswell and there's a short segment

1440
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,160
about his interaction with with that

1441
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,000
sort of that sort of thing but we're

1442
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,440
looking at you know we're looking at a

1443
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,880
time where

1444
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,400
now we're we're dealing with people who

1445
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:02,559
are getting very old and we and we've

1446
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,480
seen recently how age can diminish your

1447
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,200
cognitive abilities i talked the oldest

1448
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
guy i talked to in the roswell

1449
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,640
investigation was 96 years old when i

1450
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,960
talked to him and i'm just not sure how

1451
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,319
sharp he was

1452
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,440
i tried to be very careful in my

1453
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,760
questioning and not lead him or suggest

1454
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,359
where i wanted to go

1455
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,440
and kind of kind of drawn what he was

1456
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,599
saying to me to to find out what's going

1457
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,240
on in a preliminary investigation

1458
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,160
and i think he died like three or four

1459
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,240
months after i talked to him his goal

1460
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,160
was to reach 100 and he failed by four

1461
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,920
years but

1462
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,800
wow

1463
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,119
but uh

1464
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,119
that was

1465
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,480
we've we've talked to a number of people

1466
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,160
who are very old

1467
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,680
and some of them were very sharp and

1468
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:50,240
some of them were just not completely

1469
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,359
there

1470
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,119
now i'm going to ask you about since you

1471
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,240
know so much about the the witnesses

1472
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,000
are you familiar with the gerald

1473
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,480
anderson interview

1474
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,839
which one

1475
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,480
oh just uh just any one of them i've saw

1476
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,720
one there's one on the national us

1477
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,079
national archives that was done in 1991

1478
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,079
stanton friedman i think uh interviews

1479
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,839
him yeah it shouldn't be in the national

1480
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,280
archives i've tried to have those tapes

1481
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,319
removed

1482
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,520
because they're because they're under

1483
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,440
the auspices of the air force having

1484
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,280
supplied them to the national archives

1485
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,960
and it gives it a level of credibility

1486
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,720
they don't deserve

1487
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,400
and i say that about gerald anderson who

1488
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,880
is a proven liar claimed to be a

1489
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,440
navy seal and the navy seals used to

1490
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,119
have a thing called their hall of shame

1491
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,800
where they outed guys who claimed to be

1492
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,040
seals but who were not and anderson's

1493
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,079
name was on there i showed the

1494
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,520
information to stan but he wasn't

1495
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,720
interested

1496
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,000
um

1497
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,960
so he's basically if you ask me you're

1498
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,960
just giving me this information and

1499
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,599
you're sure about all those facts then

1500
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,079
he's not a credible no not at all he

1501
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,400
submitted a diary that supposedly was

1502
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,119
written in 1947 about his experiences

1503
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,559
and when the inquest tested it was an

1504
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,839
ink that was not available until 1974.

1505
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,280
then he came up with another story well

1506
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,240
we copied the diary the diaries you know

1507
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,760
see we pass them around the family so we

1508
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,760
copied them we hand copied them later

1509
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,880
i'm thinking yeah you never heard of

1510
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,960
xerox machine pal

1511
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:13,839
um

1512
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,400
there's things on my blog about gerald

1513
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,400
anderson i've

1514
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:22,720
uh i did an article called yeah there he

1515
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,319
is i did an article called um

1516
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,160
missing time

1517
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,319
and the reason i called it that was uh

1518
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,240
anderson and i had a conversation i was

1519
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,599
the first one to talk to henderson by

1520
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,559
the way

1521
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,599
we talked for about 56 minutes

1522
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
and i was not

1523
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,280
impressed with his credibility we found

1524
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,040
a lot of problems with his testimony and

1525
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,040
how things changed and altered as he

1526
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,240
gave gathered more information

1527
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,160
and so he came up with a phone bill his

1528
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,680
phone bill because

1529
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,680
um i didn't have his i had his phone

1530
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,280
number i called him i left a message he

1531
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,280
called me back

1532
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,599
and so i got a copy

1533
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:00,640
the

1534
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:06,400
sorry john carpenter interviewed him as

1535
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,359
well

1536
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,680
and to prove that i had lied about the

1537
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,960
length of the phone call saying it was

1538
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,520
54 minutes anderson prevented a phone

1539
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,760
mail that said i'd spoken to him for 50

1540
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,839
for 26 minutes

1541
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,440
well i got a copy of the phone bill

1542
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,599
directly from southwestern bell

1543
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,240
and it showed the 54-minute phone call

1544
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,520
so we had this missing time

1545
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,440
but it was but it was obvious that

1546
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,760
anderson had faked the phone bill i had

1547
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,760
i had a copy of the original and we had

1548
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,599
the one that he had given to carpenter

1549
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,440
which was clearly faked

1550
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,680
oh we found so he'd faked the phone bill

1551
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,119
he later admitted he faked the phone

1552
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,400
bill by the way

1553
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,319
to make me look bad and i'm thinking

1554
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:47,760
yeah it made me look real bad fella

1555
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,570
kind of outed you though didn't it um he

1556
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,400
[Music]

1557
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,400
came up with a number of documents that

1558
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,640
were clearly forged he lied about his

1559
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,200
background

1560
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,680
he originally said that the

1561
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,760
alien creatures he saw on the plains of

1562
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,119
saint augustine separating this from

1563
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,440
raza on the plains of san agustin

1564
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,079
were milky blue bright milky blue eyes i

1565
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,319
thought i never heard that before

1566
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,440
and then of course it came out that um

1567
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,119
he changed the story that they were dark

1568
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,960
eyes like you see in all the pictures of

1569
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:21,599
the people who've been abducted

1570
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,319
and

1571
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,880
they said well the tape you misre heard

1572
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:27,599
the tape he says murky blue on the tape

1573
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,319
meaning dark dark blue almost black and

1574
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,880
i said no um he says okay blue and i

1575
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,119
found out where he got the milky blue if

1576
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,799
you go to willie streeters book i think

1577
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,599
it's um transformation

1578
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,440
the hardback cover

1579
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,520
has an illustration of the gray alien

1580
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:46,079
with milky blue eyes that's where he got

1581
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,799
it

1582
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,599
wow

1583
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,920
so you know anderson's testimony is not

1584
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,920
credible whatsoever he moved the site

1585
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,760
three or four times

1586
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,319
um well that's that's uh that's terrible

1587
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,160
i mean that

1588
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,319
someone has given up you know i mean i

1589
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,839
believe there's

1590
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:03,760
i forget how many views there are let me

1591
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,640
just take a look it's a lot uh 800

1592
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,440
almost a million views oh and those

1593
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,680
people are going to take that as serious

1594
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,520
well we've gotten phillip corso's book

1595
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,319
and and people i still ask me well what

1596
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,480
do you think about philip corso

1597
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,760
not much yeah and unfortunately and you

1598
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,720
know i think it's very important for the

1599
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:26,640
listener that takes this topic serious

1600
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,079
to hear things like this um because i

1601
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,440
didn't know you know when i was first

1602
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,920
looking into it i heard about corso and

1603
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,440
um

1604
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,280
and i know that woman that works the

1605
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,200
italian woman that works with him

1606
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,559
um

1607
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,240
you know i had her on the show i had no

1608
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,520
idea that

1609
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,920
his story fell apart too there's so many

1610
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,000
of them and and what is it that makes

1611
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
people do that do do they see like

1612
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,640
someone getting attention and you know i

1613
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,599
mean

1614
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,880
makes you wonder

1615
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,720
well there's people always always want

1616
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,319
to find themselves in the spotlight and

1617
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:00,720
they come up with ways of doing it um

1618
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,710
make themselves seem

1619
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:08,880
larger than life i suppose

1620
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,480
there was a survey done in the mid

1621
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,319
1990s about uh

1622
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:15,359
it's

1623
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,280
not really an official census but it was

1624
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,359
an official survey of thing

1625
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,880
and they learned that there were 13

1626
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,640
million people who claimed to be vietnam

1627
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
veterans

1628
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,240
if you look at the documentation from

1629
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,160
the department of defense there were

1630
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,839
like 200 2 million 2.5 million vietnam

1631
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,839
veterans people who actually served in

1632
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,599
country

1633
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,240
well now we've got what 10 million

1634
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,640
people lying about their service there

1635
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,599
wow and and it goes on and on some guys

1636
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,440
some guys just tell these stories of

1637
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,119
horrific combat and you listen to the

1638
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,960
story and say yeah i saw that in a movie

1639
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,319
once

1640
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,760
um

1641
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,640
yeah

1642
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,040
you know and and david rudiak and i got

1643
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,640
into a big fight over the people lying

1644
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,240
about being vietnam veteran we had a

1645
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,599
senator tom harkin and i really

1646
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,799
shouldn't say bad things about him

1647
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,599
because

1648
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,480
um

1649
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,240
i was awarded a bronze star medal for my

1650
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,319
service in iraq and it was presented to

1651
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,640
me by tom harkin

1652
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,040
as one of his last official acts as a

1653
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,440
united states senator but he had on his

1654
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,960
senate biography he'd been a vietnam

1655
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,200
veteran and he wasn't he had to change

1656
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:21,280
it to vietnam era veteran

1657
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,079
uh

1658
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,440
so yeah

1659
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,319
i could yeah that's something well uh

1660
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,559
we're actually wrapping up on time here

1661
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,720
in just in just a couple of minutes so

1662
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,240
um the book

1663
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,720
is out on amazon the link will be down

1664
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,359
in the show notes and is that also going

1665
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,760
to be available like on kindle and

1666
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:42,240
eventually possibly audiobook

1667
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:43,280
uh yeah

1668
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,559
funny you should say that because i just

1669
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,640
talked to the woman just this last week

1670
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,920
who's going to be doing the reading for

1671
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,440
the audiobook

1672
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,880
so yes there will be an audio book

1673
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,960
there's a hardback edition as well which

1674
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,839
uh cost twenty seven dollars and of

1675
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,680
course i got one for free so i was happy

1676
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,880
with that

1677
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,559
but i mean for those of you it's really

1678
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,480
kind of a nice little book the the

1679
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,559
regular book which i think you showed

1680
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,160
here is um

1681
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,480
a large format paperback

1682
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,200
and the the hardback is somewhat more

1683
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,040
compact but it's a nice little hardback

1684
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,760
book it's it's kind of neat

1685
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,720
as well

1686
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:17,440
yeah

1687
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,680
available on various e-books it's uh

1688
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:23,839
available as a hard copy it's available

1689
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,480
as a paperback and it's going to be

1690
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,359
available apparently as a

1691
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:31,520
as a audiobook and if you're real really

1692
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,349
that's

1693
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,920
so

1694
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,280
yeah

1695
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,160
all right kevin thanks so much and uh

1696
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,079
we'll be talking next time that's always

1697
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,000
a great pleasure to have you on the show

1698
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,160
and again check out the blog i love your

1699
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,680
blog it's uh it's got a it's not it's

1700
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,920
blog spot is it is is that what it it's

1701
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,119
it's uh

1702
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,359
kevin dot blogspot.com

1703
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,079
kevinrandall.blogspot.com kevin randall

1704
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:04,000
all lowercase run together it's also

1705
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,440
called a different perspective and if

1706
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,880
you type in a different perspective it

1707
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,559
usually comes up and some of the ufo

1708
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,720
cases you might be looking for my blog

1709
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:13,040
comes up as one of the first um places

1710
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,480
that they'll send you to look for it

1711
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,720
look for information on it yeah franklin

1712
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,040
gerald anderson by the way

1713
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,720
well i've seen that many times where i'm

1714
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:23,280
looking i'm researching a case and there

1715
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,640
it is right there

1716
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,319
so um you're doing something right

1717
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,520
that's for sure

1718
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,680
well thank you yeah all right kevin take

1719
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,160
care you too all right all right

1720
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,400
everyone so we'll be right back with

1721
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,559
albert wayne and

1722
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:38,400
hold on to your seats it should be

1723
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:57,770
[Music]

1724
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,589
all right welcome back i'm excited to

1725
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:05,760
have this guest on albert wayne who's on

1726
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,280
before and just did a short video of him

1727
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,839
talking about his experience that was

1728
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,839
really bizarre if you haven't seen it

1729
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,599
it's really incredible

1730
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,200
if you haven't seen the interview i mean

1731
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,359
it's really incredible and i want to

1732
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,839
talk more in detail about that but there

1733
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,240
are some other things that happen to him

1734
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,839
and his family we're going to be talking

1735
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,760
about all that as well

1736
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,440
albert welcome

1737
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,839
hello martin thank you for having me

1738
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,040
yeah it's great to have you back and i

1739
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,079
want to i know you're a very humble

1740
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,880
and who i consider a credible person but

1741
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,799
i want the people watching this video to

1742
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,319
take a look in the background because

1743
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,880
that's one of your paintings i love your

1744
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:45,839
work

1745
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:49,119
beautiful absolutely beautiful and

1746
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,559
that's great

1747
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:52,640
and they look like they're pretty active

1748
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,079
and uh yeah it's it's a very it's it's

1749
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,400
photorealistic it's very very nice work

1750
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,520
i know

1751
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,079
as a painter myself how much time it

1752
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,440
must take you to paint a painting like

1753
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,559
that

1754
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,119
it takes a fair while yeah a fair bit

1755
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,200
yeah yeah you pick away at these things

1756
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,640
you don't just

1757
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,880
do them you know you well no i just do

1758
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,990
a lot of them i do i just it's fun funny

1759
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,480
um sometimes i like the paintings better

1760
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,960
that i can put out in 15 minutes than i

1761
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,440
do the ones i spend four days on

1762
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,200
so there's a lot of truth in that

1763
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,200
sometimes the faster you can you can see

1764
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:32,000
there's a lot of very quick very very

1765
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,040
fast

1766
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,839
brush work and palette knife work

1767
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,359
that one didn't take me nearly as long

1768
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,359
as the other one that you uh that you

1769
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,240
were looking at yeah yeah

1770
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,720
well well they're excellent so all right

1771
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,839
um let's talk about you and you're

1772
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,079
basically where you grew up what type of

1773
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,400
background you had and all that and but

1774
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,240
you were nine years old

1775
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,160
when you had a sighting so let's

1776
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,680
i guess we should talk about that then

1777
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,680
we'll go into the into your second and

1778
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,680
ask you you know more details about it

1779
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,000
but let's talk about what happened first

1780
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,480
when you're nine years old

1781
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,720
okay well uh it was

1782
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,039
you know it was fairly typical for

1783
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,880
families back then to sit out on the on

1784
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,480
the front porch and you know be out in

1785
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,240
the evenings in the summer

1786
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,799
um we were we were on a second floor and

1787
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,160
there was there were two balconies on

1788
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:22,480
the home and we were we were up there

1789
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:26,240
my mother my father and my my uncle

1790
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,440
and they were

1791
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,960
they were doing what everybody did back

1792
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,240
then or almost everybody they were

1793
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,000
smoking cigarettes and having coffee and

1794
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,359
beer i believe if i remember correctly

1795
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:37,520
and um

1796
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:38,559
there was a

1797
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,359
from our from our house and off in the

1798
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,640
distance

1799
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,280
it was my mother that first noticed

1800
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,920
it was a very large

1801
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,960
um

1802
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,799
what what we thought was a star but it

1803
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:55,280
was it dwarfed any stars that would have

1804
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,720
been out and you could

1805
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,559
and it was all by itself the sun had

1806
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,480
just gone down so it was still around

1807
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,200
dusk and so it was way too bright to be

1808
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,960
a star

1809
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,119
and she pointed it out

1810
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,920
and it and it changed uh

1811
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,400
it changed colors now it was out there

1812
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:13,200
for

1813
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:18,480
we were staring at this while it changed

1814
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:21,599
from from light red to

1815
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:25,280
to orange to to blue to a green a

1816
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:28,000
viridian green sort of just

1817
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:29,680
changing color and

1818
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,640
and it would also grow in size

1819
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,319
to about the size of a quarter from

1820
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,640
where we were sitting down to about the

1821
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,039
size of a maybe a dime and it would sit

1822
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,799
there and turn color then it would get

1823
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,480
large again and it would phase back out

1824
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,480
again

1825
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,440
so i would say that that we we stared at

1826
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,280
that for

1827
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,839
five or six minutes you know it was 10

1828
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,920
minutes possibly

1829
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:55,760
and

1830
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,119
it didn't move it didn't go you know up

1831
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:00,960
or down east or west it just stayed

1832
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,720
right where it was

1833
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,510
after after 10 minutes let's say i mean

1834
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,280
i was nine so i don't

1835
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,000
yeah yeah so after about 10 minutes we

1836
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:14,319
we noticed there were there were two

1837
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:18,000
what we what we thought at the time

1838
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,799
uh

1839
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,960
there were two lights just

1840
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,880
bright white lights we thought they were

1841
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,200
just aircraft in general you know like a

1842
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,680
a jetliner or something and this was

1843
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,839
this was quite a ways out there so

1844
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,119
it was plausible that they were just

1845
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,200
jetliners and one was coming in from the

1846
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:34,960
east

1847
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:37,039
and one from the west

1848
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:38,839
they were

1849
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,160
uh you know the entire length of the sky

1850
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,160
apart but they were they were as close

1851
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,799
to us as this object was

1852
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:49,119
they they headed straight

1853
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:50,799
for this

1854
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:53,119
orb if you will

1855
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,559
and

1856
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,400
we thought

1857
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,799
for sure that if they didn't change

1858
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,000
course

1859
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,599
they were they were going to crash

1860
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,039
because they were on a perfectly

1861
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,640
straight trajectory for this orb

1862
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,799
and it was when they

1863
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,119
got to within you know from where we

1864
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,920
were inches of the orb on both sides my

1865
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,599
mother said oh my god they're going to

1866
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,039
crash they're going to hit this that

1867
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,839
thing whatever it is

1868
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:21,440
they went

1869
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,680
into it

1870
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:27,280
there was no explosion of any kind

1871
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,720
nothing

1872
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,280
and and as soon as they entered

1873
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,359
or or collided

1874
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:36,079
in this orb

1875
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,359
spark fell from the bottom of it

1876
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:40,799
i want to say a spark but it was like a

1877
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,000
white light a just a white spark

1878
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:45,839
and it arc slightly

1879
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:48,720
and came fell down to the ground

1880
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:54,309
so

1881
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,480
sitting there and this orb continued to

1882
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,160
to change colors now the white lights

1883
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,240
were gone they had disappeared into this

1884
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,599
object

1885
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:05,280
and i mean they just disappeared you

1886
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,640
didn't see them come out the other side

1887
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,799
or didn't come back out

1888
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:10,880
they didn't come back out they just

1889
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:12,000
disappeared

1890
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,920
jetliners

1891
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:16,240
yeah we ruled that out pretty quickly

1892
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,119
so

1893
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,839
um

1894
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,079
it continued to to fluctuate in size and

1895
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,559
it continued to fluctuate in color

1896
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:26,319
and then it and then it grew very small

1897
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:30,160
and very faint and and it just vanished

1898
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,559
wow it just blipped out of existence

1899
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,079
so

1900
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,079
we we sat there for a bit and my uncle

1901
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,559
was snapping photographs of this

1902
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,720
all the while he was really yeah he had

1903
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,079
his camera with him and he was taking

1904
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,599
pictures

1905
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,880
but i think you know what i'm going to

1906
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:48,559
say about those pictures you didn't come

1907
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,520
out

1908
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:52,079
you didn't according to the photo of the

1909
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:53,680
the drugstore that we brought the camera

1910
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,119
to they they were just the the film was

1911
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,760
tainted it was uh gray blur everything

1912
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,839
was great

1913
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,839
so but but the interesting thing about

1914
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:05,839
this was we couldn't have been the only

1915
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,480
uh individuals that saw this because

1916
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:10,240
where were you exactly where where are

1917
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,280
we

1918
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,359
massachusetts southern massachusetts

1919
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,799
down down towards the border of rhode

1920
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,359
island i see yeah

1921
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,599
i'm just wondering is it was it uh

1922
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:21,440
you know is there a high population

1923
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,880
there where a lot of people outside yes

1924
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,880
yeah it's between north attleboro is

1925
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,280
between boston and providence so it's

1926
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:30,880
very you know where it is continuous

1927
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,680
yeah

1928
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,200
so

1929
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,359
um within within

1930
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,119
10 minutes

1931
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,839
we we could hear after after this object

1932
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,599
had vanished we could hear

1933
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,960
uh the

1934
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:44,960
the distant rumblings of

1935
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,960
a vengeance

1936
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,190
the jet fighters

1937
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:53,280
appeared out of

1938
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:54,960
you know out of the uh

1939
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,839
out of the east

1940
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,440
and for

1941
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,000
for about 10 or 15 minutes they there

1942
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,520
were there were four of them and they

1943
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:06,000
were doing crisscross patterns

1944
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,200
from from about where my house was

1945
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,400
north

1946
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,160
where the object was

1947
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,440
and and i mean they were doing like

1948
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,200
checker checker they would turn come

1949
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,839
back checkerboard patterns so

1950
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,960
some somebody or some someone or some

1951
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,120
group of individuals had to have seen

1952
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:24,880
the same thing and called otis air force

1953
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,149
so we weren't the only ones that we

1954
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:32,000
didn't call but we somebody had to have

1955
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:33,520
called or they picked it up on radar or

1956
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,480
something

1957
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,880
right yeah so that was that that's that

1958
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,960
story that's that's the had you ever

1959
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,199
heard of any did anyone else ever talk

1960
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,759
about it that you were aware of no i

1961
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,679
know you were young but i mean did you

1962
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,120
did the adults

1963
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,120
try to do anything about it you know

1964
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,480
call anyone or anything like that no i

1965
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,000
think they just laid another cigarette

1966
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,040
and broke open the beer

1967
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,279
that was kind of crazy you know yeah

1968
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,359
yeah so that was that that that's pretty

1969
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,199
much the whole thing there was nothing

1970
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,480
else to it

1971
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,960
yeah well that's interesting that this

1972
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,960
whatever it was fell

1973
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,239
to the ground

1974
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,799
and did it it was a kind of i know it's

1975
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,719
hard to tell how far away something like

1976
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,279
this was and all that really really hard

1977
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,319
to tell

1978
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,799
you know but i'm wondering how quickly

1979
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,480
whatever it was dropped to the ground

1980
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,480
dropped to the ground quickly

1981
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:27,199
and it didn't fall straight it it if it

1982
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:30,159
fell on on a slight arc

1983
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,920
wow yeah it almost almost as though if

1984
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:36,480
okay if you took a flare and it would it

1985
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,390
and you could speed it up

1986
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,719
that's what it looked like

1987
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,640
wow it was certainly not debris there

1988
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,560
was no other debris after these two

1989
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:51,759
lights

1990
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,960
merged into the orb there was no other

1991
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,800
there was no other debris of any kind

1992
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:59,360
and it's and continued to to hang there

1993
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,840
for you know several minutes and then

1994
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,920
would you say that those those

1995
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,400
whatever they were the orbs that merged

1996
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,400
into it did they do it evenly like did

1997
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,120
they both go into it about the same time

1998
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,080
at exactly the same time i mean

1999
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,880
precisely the same moment

2000
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,600
yeah that's that's really yeah

2001
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,600
that's actually quite exciting at first

2002
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,760
when you started to say light in the sky

2003
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,800
you know i'm thinking oh this is the

2004
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,480
light in the sky story which many many

2005
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:27,600
people have

2006
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,640
yeah

2007
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,159
but unless they do something really

2008
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,600
spectacular and it sounds like this

2009
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:33,280
pretty much did

2010
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,199
well even at nine years old

2011
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,199
you know there was definitely we're not

2012
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:39,520
in kansas anymore you know for me it

2013
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:42,159
changed it really changed the way i

2014
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:43,120
saw

2015
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,480
things uh

2016
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:47,280
as far as as far as what was in the sky

2017
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,560
so what did they

2018
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,719
what was the conversation after that do

2019
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,560
you remember anything about that or did

2020
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,120
you talk to them afterwards you know

2021
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,080
years or years down the road

2022
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:00,159
to winning them about that well my my

2023
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,310
i would say i was closest to

2024
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,400
i'm an only child and she was very young

2025
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,000
when she had me so it was like having an

2026
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,360
older sister

2027
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,120
um

2028
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,960
my mother and i brought it up from time

2029
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,159
to time

2030
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,840
you know do you remember that what we

2031
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,199
said you know

2032
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,440
but that's but that's all

2033
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,679
we're you know we're not investigators

2034
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:24,719
we're not

2035
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,400
it we you know i don't

2036
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:31,760
yeah

2037
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,880
so

2038
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,280
did that when you had your your second

2039
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,040
sighting that we're going to talk about

2040
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,040
later

2041
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,800
did you kind of feel like there was any

2042
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:42,000
type of

2043
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:47,590
no

2044
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,320
did you because the reason i'm asking

2045
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,000
that there is a reason i'm asking that

2046
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,760
question and i know you do listen to my

2047
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,560
show

2048
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,280
um but yeah but that

2049
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,280
a lot of times people will think there's

2050
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:01,360
some type of connection between a

2051
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,480
childhood

2052
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,320
sighting of something they have later as

2053
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:06,080
an adult that's the only reason i ask

2054
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,800
that

2055
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,560
particular question

2056
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,719
oh uh do do you mean do you mean to do i

2057
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,640
thought it was special for me

2058
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,719
particularly i know that's something

2059
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,280
that sounds weird but yes

2060
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,280
no i i know

2061
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,280
even though even the connecticut setting

2062
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,600
i have i have absolutely

2063
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:26,000
no belief that it was special for me and

2064
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,719
in any way yeah one of the i was one of

2065
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:31,360
a multitude because i think that i think

2066
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,320
that

2067
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,560
these things are seen by thousands and

2068
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,640
thousands of people who never even talk

2069
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,920
about it again

2070
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,440
right it's not just

2071
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,800
kindness

2072
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:42,159
it kind of sounds like most of the

2073
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,719
adults on the porch that night

2074
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,560
really didn't

2075
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,560
talk about it after

2076
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:50,320
um now being nine years old i remember

2077
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,520
what that's like

2078
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,040
yeah whatever around that age i mean

2079
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,520
you're inquisitive as heck at that point

2080
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,440
yes you know you probably had a lot of

2081
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:00,950
um

2082
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,239
did they say the word ufo or what did

2083
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:06,159
they try to what did the adults try to

2084
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,600
explain it was do you remember any of

2085
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,199
that

2086
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,360
at the time yeah no

2087
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,199
no they were just as they were just as

2088
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,920
perplexed as i was they i remember that

2089
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,159
they were um you know my mother was

2090
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,719
pretty adamant that it was a ufo

2091
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:21,840
yeah

2092
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,199
it would have been in the 50s

2093
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,040
my grandmother had a

2094
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,520
had what i guess is termed i've heard

2095
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:33,920
the term and description of ghost rocket

2096
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,400
okay fly past her while getting out of

2097
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,640
her car at a late evening shift that she

2098
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:39,679
was working

2099
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,159
it she said she turned and she looked up

2100
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,000
and us and it was like a star was coming

2101
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,239
down at her and it flew right by her and

2102
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:48,239
then vanished up into the other side of

2103
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:49,280
the

2104
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,480
you know

2105
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,320
and these are these are working class

2106
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,000
factory

2107
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:01,199
massachusetts salt of the earth you know

2108
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,239
yeah

2109
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,080
it is what it is and it's nothing more

2110
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,159
that and but but when she said yeah this

2111
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,760
rocket flew past me and it was in the

2112
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,080
50s that that happened so that wasn't

2113
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,840
that that wasn't the sighting that we're

2114
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:13,520
going to talk about with your mother and

2115
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,480
your grandmother no

2116
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,880
that one for me personally is the most

2117
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,560
is the most compelling and the most

2118
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:22,080
interesting sighting okay well let's

2119
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,760
finish this one sure first so i mean the

2120
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,560
ghost rockets were known in 1946

2121
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:30,239
and if anyone wants to look out there

2122
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,600
mostly in

2123
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,360
sweden um

2124
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,800
i believe that's where they were was it

2125
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,480
switzerland i always get the two mixed

2126
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,960
up uh right one of them made its way

2127
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,560
over to plainville massachusetts though

2128
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:42,719
i want you to know that

2129
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:45,920
yeah but um but just for the person that

2130
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,640
you know wants to do the research

2131
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,600
there the ghost rockets were known

2132
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,000
um to have

2133
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,440
no no wings um i don't believe they

2134
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,880
talked much about

2135
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,000
known

2136
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,159
uh propulsion

2137
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,400
uh and i guess it was finland is where

2138
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,440
they were they were going back in 1946

2139
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,080
there's there's only one picture that

2140
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:12,640
someone actually took with one going

2141
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,440
over

2142
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,840
and they've never been explained i'm

2143
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,440
gonna put the picture up here they've

2144
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:19,199
never been explained

2145
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:20,000
but

2146
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:21,040
they

2147
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:27,600
land in lakes

2148
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:31,520
and there was some research on the lakes

2149
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,520
um you know on a particular lake there's

2150
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:35,840
a there's the only known image of one i

2151
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:38,719
suppose but they were known to land

2152
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,440
in lakes and they never found one when

2153
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,280
they go to the bottom of the lake they

2154
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:46,080
never found one and they have this not

2155
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,880
just

2156
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:49,199
1946 is when a lot of it happened but

2157
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,719
there was a later one all the way back

2158
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,520
in the 1980s or a very similar thing and

2159
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:55,520
it went into a lake again

2160
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,480
so it's it's bizarre but um all that

2161
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,920
being said

2162
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,600
i don't think you know i mean that that

2163
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,840
sounds really interesting and i'm sure

2164
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,000
you gave all the detail that you know

2165
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,159
about that yes

2166
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:09,840
yeah go ahead

2167
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,920
no just that just that i was tying that

2168
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,239
into my my mother being really adamant

2169
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,880
that what we were seeing was a ufo

2170
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,120
because she she couldn't she had no

2171
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,840
contacts nor did my father or uncle we

2172
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:22,560
had

2173
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,800
in because

2174
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,080
as far as we were concerned we were

2175
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,800
watching two aircraft crash

2176
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,800
yeah and and they just went into the

2177
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,320
orbit and then didn't come out the other

2178
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:36,880
side and then that spark fell so we had

2179
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:39,679
no context to wrap our heads around on

2180
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,159
that yeah so just one more just one more

2181
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,159
thing about that particular one

2182
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,000
would you say it was a perfectly

2183
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,120
straight trajectory that those two orbs

2184
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,880
and they were coming in exactly the same

2185
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,320
time

2186
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,400
um and was it like steady or were they

2187
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:56,239
all over the place no there was it was

2188
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:57,120
just

2189
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,960
it was like watching a jetliner

2190
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,880
in the distance

2191
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,719
flying across the horizon line it was

2192
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,480
just they were there was a slight arc of

2193
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,760
course because of the shape of the you

2194
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,040
know the earth and

2195
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,320
they were they were like this

2196
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:17,590
it wasn't straight like this it was uh

2197
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,239
they are up from the horizon

2198
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,080
both sides yeah and

2199
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,480
entered the orb

2200
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,120
wow okay so let's hear about

2201
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,679
your grandmothers and mothers to get

2202
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:30,800
your mother together with your

2203
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,550
just just to let you know my mom

2204
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,760
my mom passed away about three weeks ago

2205
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:45,920
oh i'm so sorry

2206
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:48,560
thank you i traveled back there to be

2207
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,110
talk to her about it again

2208
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,600
wow yeah i asked her i said

2209
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,280
mom are these

2210
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,280
to your to your memory are these is this

2211
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,280
your recollection

2212
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:05,440
excuse me i have fur or something

2213
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,400
sometime

2214
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,360
um and she she said yep that's exactly

2215
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,800
yeah that's that's what happened but so

2216
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:13,760
i was a

2217
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:20,709
my

2218
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,600
a state school she worked the 11 p.m to

2219
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,480
7 a.m shift

2220
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,800
so she would this is the same house that

2221
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,239
we had the other side and she would go

2222
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,480
downstairs my grandparents lived

2223
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:42,159
downstairs

2224
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,280
down

2225
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,040
through

2226
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:47,040
my grandmother's kitchen this was my

2227
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,590
she would go through her kitchen my

2228
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,520
grandmother let her out

2229
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,199
and watch to make sure she got into her

2230
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,990
and she would close the door lock it and

2231
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,760
go to bed herself this was their this

2232
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,840
was their ritual every night

2233
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,679
this particular evening

2234
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,880
she walked

2235
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,120
they did that my mother stepped outside

2236
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,920
onto the back deck and she and something

2237
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:13,840
caught her attention

2238
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,719
so she looked to the left and

2239
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:19,360
two two house lengths away there was

2240
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,880
there was a another two decker tenement

2241
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,360
and my my i lived in that build in that

2242
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,719
house

2243
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,280
and a cousin okay

2244
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,600
and my my mother

2245
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,960
saw

2246
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,679
sitting in in in the air behind the

2247
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,199
house

2248
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,199
something that she said was the size of

2249
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:42,320
a small airliner

2250
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:49,669
by this time my grandmother had closed

2251
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:52,719
the door okay no no she no the door was

2252
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:55,040
still open but she was stepping back to

2253
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:56,560
to close the door after my mom get in

2254
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:02,070
my mother turned back and looked in the

2255
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,600
kitchen and signaled to my grandmother

2256
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,520
to come out and take a look at this and

2257
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,120
when she did

2258
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,360
when my grandmother stepped to the door

2259
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:11,440
she looked over my mother's shoulder

2260
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,560
and she

2261
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,800
threw the door shut

2262
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:15,520
and

2263
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,719
out on the kitchen floor she passed out

2264
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,239
passed out

2265
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:22,639
leaving leaving my mother standing

2266
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,199
outside with the door closed and locked

2267
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:27,600
oh my god

2268
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:30,800
my mother turned around

2269
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:34,800
and with it she said within arm's length

2270
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:35,679
was the

2271
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:45,270
and it had she the way she describes it

2272
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:46,400
had

2273
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,679
two two very large

2274
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,679
she called them eyes but

2275
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:53,280
what i think because they were she said

2276
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,600
they were they were hazy

2277
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,280
foggy white

2278
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,239
what i believe they were were portals

2279
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,560
okay she said so can can we just stop

2280
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:04,239
here for a second yeah because i just

2281
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,840
want to i want to get this right i want

2282
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,440
everyone to understand

2283
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,360
so

2284
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,520
your grandmother looks out possibly this

2285
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:13,360
thing was coming toward them because

2286
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,480
your mother was facing toward the door

2287
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,639
she signaled her signaling her to come

2288
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:20,719
out and all of a sudden this object is

2289
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,719
within arm's length and not moving

2290
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:27,120
and not even moving it was it was behind

2291
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,480
the other house

2292
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:31,120
now i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna guesstimate

2293
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:32,320
that it was

2294
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,120
yards 100 yards

2295
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,760
she started sitting behind the house she

2296
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,320
turned and said and said blanche come

2297
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,400
here for a minute and

2298
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,280
by the time my grandmother stepped

2299
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,199
around the door and got

2300
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,120
in front of my mother

2301
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:53,440
it had already parked itself behind our

2302
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,639
house

2303
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,480
it was sitting behind my mother

2304
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,560
behind the deck of the house

2305
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,800
so she didn't see it move there it just

2306
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:02,560
it was just there it was there one

2307
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:03,920
second and then the next second it was

2308
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,390
so my grandmother passed uh is did you

2309
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,920
want to ask any other questions yeah no

2310
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,000
no so your grandmother stepped around

2311
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,719
her slam the door and passed out leaving

2312
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,520
her outside with a door locked

2313
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:21,120
my mother screamed

2314
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,080
yeah

2315
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:25,440
a fair response and she screamed and

2316
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,639
when she did

2317
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:28,159
this object

2318
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,199
and i don't think it's because she

2319
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,679
scared the object but maybe it figured

2320
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,080
that okay so it

2321
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,199
this object took off backwards and when

2322
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,800
it did

2323
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,880
it it took

2324
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:42,960
half of our weeping willow tree with it

2325
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,080
it broke off a huge with the secondary

2326
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,280
limb to our weeping willow tree

2327
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,120
and i remember that because i woke up

2328
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,600
that morning to the sound of a chainsaw

2329
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,600
and it was my uncle out in the backyard

2330
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,120
cutting up half of this weeping willow

2331
01:23:02,709 --> 01:22:59,520
tree which was laying on the ground

2332
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,310
and she said my mother said she watched

2333
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,320
it she heard a crash when it hit the

2334
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,159
tree and then she watched it just

2335
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:10,880
disappear like a like a

2336
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:14,639
spark a whisp into into into the sky and

2337
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,199
out into space just with like a white

2338
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:22,070
that that's it that's quite quite the

2339
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,600
story and

2340
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,159
uh now how about your

2341
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:28,080
what was the aftermath i mean your grand

2342
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,080
grandmother was ended up being okay i'm

2343
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:33,040
sure i mean she was okay yeah

2344
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,239
she was right

2345
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,080
did she let her did she wake up and then

2346
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:38,960
let her in and they talk about it

2347
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:39,840
yeah

2348
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,560
banging on the door pretty hard after

2349
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,800
after this thing had vanished

2350
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,159
she was pounding on the door my

2351
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:50,400
grandmother finally came too and let her

2352
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,639
in and they they talked about it yeah

2353
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,880
any other witnesses that you're aware of

2354
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,920
for that one

2355
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,880
no

2356
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,199
so did she she said it looked like ice

2357
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:02,080
but it was probably portals but portals

2358
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:03,280
but

2359
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,639
uh portholes pardon me

2360
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,199
what else could did she describe about

2361
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,199
the way it looked

2362
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:12,880
martin i think she was i think she was

2363
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,440
too frightened to take any mental notes

2364
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,040
honestly

2365
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,600
it was it was literally behind her an

2366
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:21,120
arm's length away the front of it you

2367
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:22,000
know

2368
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,120
just

2369
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,800
you know she never talked about the

2370
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,880
shape of it in any any type of way you

2371
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:27,760
know

2372
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:28,639
no

2373
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,800
yeah

2374
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,600
wow

2375
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:33,760
yeah that's a bizarre one and for this

2376
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:36,000
thing to blink and be right there and

2377
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,040
then

2378
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:39,040
you know

2379
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:41,760
it's uh yeah it's a it's an interesting

2380
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,639
story and did she talk about it a lot i

2381
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,000
mean did you know right away when you

2382
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,870
oh i knew the day that it i knew the day

2383
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,280
oh yeah because the chainsaw

2384
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:55,600
yeah yeah yeah

2385
01:25:02,550 --> 01:24:56,840
yeah

2386
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,560
one family to have all these

2387
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,840
different things

2388
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:05,120
i guess

2389
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,320
all right well now i'd like to talk

2390
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,320
about the one we've already talked about

2391
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,159
okay and get into

2392
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,520
that in in more detail so i know a lot

2393
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,400
of people i mean it's like almost 9 000

2394
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,400
views on this video

2395
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,800
on this channel here where you discuss

2396
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,719
this one particular case

2397
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,000
that happened

2398
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,880
um but let's let's go from the beginning

2399
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,560
you're on your way

2400
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,719
you're leaving you leave massachusetts

2401
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,719
you're on your way driving to long

2402
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,800
island i forget the club you were trying

2403
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,520
to get to studio 54 that's right studio

2404
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:43,600
54 you're on your way there

2405
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,310
it would have been late summer um

2406
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:55,440
fall possibly i i don't i don't recall

2407
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,560
the exact

2408
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,159
i should have taken better notes but i

2409
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,719
didn't yeah and you know i thought about

2410
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,360
a couple of things you're on the i-95

2411
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,040
corridor

2412
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,520
you're heading south toward long toward

2413
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:09,120
long island

2414
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,239
um and then if you would um i mean i'll

2415
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,400
just ask you the questions as we

2416
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,000
land on a couple of different parts of

2417
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,719
this but if you would just uh let's hear

2418
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,040
that story one more time

2419
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:24,239
again okay yeah uh

2420
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,840
let's see okay so we're getting we're

2421
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:27,199
approaching

2422
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,880
we're a few miles out from the mystic

2423
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,080
connecticut

2424
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:32,320
off ramp yeah hang on just one minute

2425
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,280
i'm sorry

2426
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,800
can you give it a you said you're about

2427
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:36,880
17 if i remember right so approximately

2428
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,760
what year was this 17 and a half yeah

2429
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,480
1978

2430
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,960
79 yeah yeah

2431
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:46,320
you're asking me to think quickly and

2432
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:47,679
i'm not i'm

2433
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,440
i'm not good at that i didn't sit down

2434
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,560
with a pencil

2435
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,360
no um i i do remember i had a 67

2436
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:55,520
thunderbird oh

2437
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,950
yeah it was a great machine anyway so

2438
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,400
we're going my girlfriend and i are

2439
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,840
heading

2440
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,400
down i-95 um

2441
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,159
and it was

2442
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:13,440
i'd say that the sun had set maybe

2443
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,840
30 minutes prior to that it was very

2444
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,440
windy uh

2445
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,000
you could see the clouds briskly moving

2446
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:24,080
across the horizon you can see the the

2447
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:25,760
moonlight in the background it was

2448
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,199
clouds were really briskly rushing along

2449
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,120
and uh

2450
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,560
as i said before

2451
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:33,760
it

2452
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,400
off to our left heading heading back

2453
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,800
towards providence

2454
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,800
it looked like a

2455
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:42,880
you know any jetliner coming coming

2456
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,840
through the clouds and it uh when it

2457
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,480
finally broke through the clouds

2458
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,760
it was

2459
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,080
much it seemed much larger than a

2460
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,639
jetliner and i thought that it was it

2461
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,719
was too low to be flying to be honest

2462
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,480
with you i thought if that plane is

2463
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,880
going to green state airport it's it's

2464
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,719
way too low

2465
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:04,080
by this time to get there because it

2466
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,440
looked like a jetliner that was almost

2467
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,000
ready to land

2468
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,480
the sky lit up the ground lit up for

2469
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,760
miles on both sides of the highway

2470
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,080
it it looked like uh early morning it

2471
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,360
was so bright

2472
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,600
now yeah it's it's at that when this

2473
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:21,120
happened is that when you pulled over to

2474
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:24,320
the side no not not yet no not yet not

2475
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,360
by then

2476
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,520
um but but everything started to

2477
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:29,520
brighten up and and i

2478
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,080
and i said to my girlfriend said i think

2479
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:34,639
that's going to crash it's just too you

2480
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:35,360
know

2481
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,310
when i said that

2482
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,440
there was a a row of

2483
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,480
very old-growth pine trees i'm thinking

2484
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,280
they were pine anyway

2485
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:50,960
the the object just

2486
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:53,440
stopped over them it froze right there

2487
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,520
it's no longer flying towards us

2488
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:59,199
and

2489
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:00,880
as we approached

2490
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:05,679
you could see the tops of the trees

2491
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,239
literally bending over in in different

2492
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,560
directions like there was a

2493
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,880
it was an enormous down draft of some

2494
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,120
kind or something forcing the tops of

2495
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:17,280
the trees down as it just sat there

2496
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,709
this was another thing i think i forgot

2497
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,400
to mention there were no blinking lights

2498
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,440
on this

2499
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,520
but but there was a but it was bright

2500
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,080
something was very bright

2501
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,639
it was very bright yeah

2502
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:34,239
i remember looking off to the to the

2503
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,600
left and right

2504
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,440
and i could see

2505
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,760
the fields on both sides all the way

2506
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,880
until they

2507
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,719
vanished into the horizon you know on

2508
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,560
both sides of the highway it was that

2509
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:46,400
bright

2510
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,679
i'm not going to say it was daylight it

2511
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,080
wasn't 12 noon but it was bright enough

2512
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,400
to see all the trees in the fields and

2513
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,600
some details in the distance

2514
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,639
so

2515
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,920
um

2516
01:30:02,149 --> 01:29:59,920
at this point we're still traveling

2517
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:02,159
towards it because now i'm i'm really

2518
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,390
as other cars started to pull over i

2519
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,000
decided that that's what we would do too

2520
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,400
and not but we were probably

2521
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,560
a quarter of a mile now from it maybe a

2522
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:17,679
little bit less

2523
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,880
so is it forward of you

2524
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,800
forward and to the it was on the

2525
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:25,040
opposite side of the northbound

2526
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,360
highway to the left to the left

2527
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:31,280
so we we pulled over along with the

2528
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:32,840
other cars in front of

2529
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:41,270
was we sat there briefly looking at this

2530
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,400
and

2531
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,719
as i said before

2532
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,560
the next

2533
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,280
well let me describe a little bit more

2534
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:52,000
about the craft so so the craft had the

2535
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,440
craft head

2536
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,199
was shaped sort of like the the center

2537
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,760
of a compass it had it had four points

2538
01:31:03,030 --> 01:30:59,679
four long arms coming off

2539
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,040
it had a a segmented

2540
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,440
under section it was a like a solid

2541
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:07,600
bottom and then above that there was a

2542
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,239
a row of lights of of uh amber sort of

2543
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,719
yellowish orange

2544
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,040
portal type lights

2545
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,040
and above that was a

2546
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:22,080
classic dome but not round sort of

2547
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:24,080
almost squared off a little bit okay

2548
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,239
almost pyramidal if you will but flat

2549
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:28,800
and then down taper down

2550
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,840
at the at the ends of

2551
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:33,840
of the four

2552
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:36,239
uh arms there was there were there were

2553
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:39,600
white there were white balls

2554
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:42,840
attached by what looked like a metal

2555
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:44,960
rod now i

2556
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,270
that the the only way that i really saw

2557
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:53,679
that was was during the second half of

2558
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:55,840
the

2559
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,120
which

2560
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,000
was when

2561
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:04,320
we were sitting there looking at it

2562
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:07,760
the next thing we remember i remember

2563
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:10,400
was that we were we were then looking up

2564
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,400
throughout the windshield of the vehicle

2565
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:16,320
at the underside of the

2566
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,520
so it

2567
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:19,679
it blinked another blinking thing right

2568
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:22,239
over you just boom

2569
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:23,280
didn't see it

2570
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,040
was this thing so big that it was over

2571
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:26,960
other cars as well that were pulled over

2572
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,679
it was enormous it was bigger than any

2573
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:31,520
it was bigger than any jetliner

2574
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:33,120
certainly it was

2575
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:34,239
huge

2576
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,960
yeah

2577
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:36,960
now let me ask you this

2578
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,760
because i know you're an artist

2579
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,480
and but and we're pretty weird already

2580
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:44,320
no we're we're pre-recording is there a

2581
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,920
way you can do a drawing of this and uh

2582
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:49,760
send it to me and i will put it in the

2583
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,760
show notes any type of sketch you don't

2584
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,520
have to be i know how your your

2585
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,679
paintings are perfection but just what

2586
01:33:02,629 --> 01:32:58,000
you can remember i i tried to do a

2587
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,350
it was like no that's that's not it

2588
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:07,520
okay well if it's too difficult i

2589
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,120
understand i can i can try to knock

2590
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:11,199
something out quickly just to

2591
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:13,120
yeah i'm not much of a i'm a terrible

2592
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:15,280
draftsman i'm terrible at sketching and

2593
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:16,560
i know you're supposed to be a great

2594
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:18,800
sketcher to be a great painter but i

2595
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:20,880
just work better with it with paint yeah

2596
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,199
i'm exactly the same way so i don't know

2597
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:25,280
what we're talking about yeah yeah

2598
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,560
but uh yeah well i'll yeah i'll put do

2599
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,239
something if the second one will be

2600
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:32,320
better i promise

2601
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:33,040
see

2602
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:34,480
so

2603
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:35,440
it was

2604
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,040
okay so you want me to continue yeah

2605
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:39,040
yeah so this thing was directly overhead

2606
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:40,880
you well it was it wasn't directly it

2607
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:43,280
was out the out the window it was a

2608
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:45,199
little bit you know it was but it was

2609
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,719
certainly

2610
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,199
upon us if you will it was very close

2611
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,960
off to the right now it was on the other

2612
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:53,040
side of the highway

2613
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,840
and that's when we were able to see more

2614
01:34:02,790 --> 01:33:58,080
more detail these these

2615
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,750
now when

2616
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:05,280
when you're talking about this thing

2617
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,480
being over

2618
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:08,960
to the left was there anyone on the

2619
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:11,840
northbound side that you saw pulled over

2620
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:14,719
i didn't see them pulling over

2621
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:16,960
interesting i saw them just driving

2622
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:18,880
moving away yeah

2623
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:20,880
maybe that maybe that was what they

2624
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:22,960
wanted to do

2625
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:24,719
yeah yeah yeah

2626
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,719
okay so getting back to this thing is

2627
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,560
over you're looking up through your

2628
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:30,719
windshield at it

2629
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:32,719
and that and that row of and that row of

2630
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,880
portals that we saw we saw

2631
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:36,880
um

2632
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:39,679
a a few

2633
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:40,639
uh

2634
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:43,360
heads and shoulders that

2635
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,880
up in there and if you will i can't

2636
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:49,119
remember how many

2637
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:50,880
there there could have been

2638
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,480
a lot of them but i don't i only focused

2639
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:56,000
on

2640
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,840
a few in in the middle towards the

2641
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:58,800
center

2642
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,520
now did you see any like sign of

2643
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:03,440
movement of any kind or just like

2644
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:06,800
silhouettes just silhouettes

2645
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:08,560
yeah just silhouettes

2646
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:09,840
and would it

2647
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:12,480
would can you describe it at all

2648
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,679
what you were

2649
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:16,080
you know the shapes was it like a human

2650
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,600
type shape

2651
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:18,639
yeah

2652
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,520
just hum you know a

2653
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,520
human basic

2654
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,920
facial face and shoulders

2655
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:27,520
i would have

2656
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,030
not i you know they're

2657
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,440
i'm not going to associate that with it

2658
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,280
was it you know was it diamond shaped

2659
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,280
and did they have big eyes and

2660
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,280
all i can say is they were just there

2661
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:48,000
was just a silhouette of of individuals

2662
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,679
i don't know

2663
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:51,760
any more than that like any detail of

2664
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,600
what they

2665
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,520
look like from what from that distance

2666
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:58,719
to it i guess any you could you could

2667
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:00,880
maybe put a chimpanzee up in there and

2668
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:03,360
it would look like a person behind a a

2669
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,440
fogged out sort of glass you know

2670
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:10,080
if it has a head and shoulders you're

2671
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,760
going to say oh that's a person that's

2672
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:13,040
an individual

2673
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:13,840
yeah

2674
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:18,880
so you're looking up at it they it

2675
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,199
do they appear to be like

2676
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,280
i mean i don't i'm trying to picture the

2677
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:25,520
windows are they at an angle does it

2678
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:26,719
look like they're looking they're

2679
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:33,750
or is it a down or is it over at it's

2680
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:36,080
almost it's it's almost just a slightly

2681
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:37,040
above

2682
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:38,400
and

2683
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,000
they were looking down because they were

2684
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,400
they well they were in the in these

2685
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:45,040
in the air so they were looking down

2686
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,199
but it was at it wasn't that a very a

2687
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:49,199
super steep angle it was the craft was

2688
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:50,400
quite low

2689
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,840
i see

2690
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:53,600
yeah

2691
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,199
and and so

2692
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:57,280
what what is what happens through this

2693
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,080
whole thing and and can you also have an

2694
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,800
idea of how long this whole

2695
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:04,960
thing has happened so far

2696
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:07,360
time wise was this a a minute two

2697
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:13,830
up to this point yeah

2698
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:20,070
three minutes is three minutes is fair i

2699
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:20,880
think

2700
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,719
three or four minutes maybe

2701
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:23,520
yeah

2702
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:26,239
um

2703
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:27,040
so

2704
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,639
staring straight ahead we weren't

2705
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,719
talking

2706
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,280
um i was we're looking up at this

2707
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:46,550
that's when i heard in my head

2708
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,149
don't be afraid we're just we're just

2709
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,480
here to observe you or look at you we're

2710
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:52,000
just looking at you

2711
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:53,360
um

2712
01:38:13,750 --> 01:37:54,239
i

2713
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:13,760
of

2714
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,880
running around on that blue marble i

2715
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,080
don't feel like we're they were there to

2716
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,239
probe us in any way or get it get into

2717
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,320
any more detail other than hey these are

2718
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,040
cool look at those

2719
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,239
you know yeah yeah so and and then uh

2720
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:30,320
and then i

2721
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:37,910
it it was back over the treetops again

2722
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,920
exactly about exactly where it was

2723
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:41,920
almost exactly where it was

2724
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:45,199
yeah didn't see it go there just

2725
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,560
was there and then it was back over

2726
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,800
there again

2727
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,360
and um that's when it's that's when it

2728
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:53,840
just started to sort of drift slowly to

2729
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:54,639
to

2730
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:01,440
and then started heading

2731
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,239
back in a backwards trajectory

2732
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:05,920
until it started getting smaller and

2733
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:08,159
smaller and then at one point it just

2734
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:09,280
went

2735
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,480
gone

2736
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,040
it just accelerated out of view and it

2737
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:15,360
was nighttime again the daylight was

2738
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,790
wow that that the daylight thing is

2739
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:22,239
really something else

2740
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:24,639
it is because i i i rack my brains

2741
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,080
trying to figure out where all of that

2742
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,639
light came from because the it wasn't

2743
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:30,800
blinding light

2744
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:33,600
the the uh the the balls of light on the

2745
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,719
ends of the

2746
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:37,040
the craft were they were sort of soft

2747
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,920
they were like soft white light bulbs

2748
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,520
like spheres

2749
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:42,400
yeah

2750
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,920
was out that night in all fairness that

2751
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:47,679
the moon was out

2752
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,119
and then

2753
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,199
but it still it still got too bright in

2754
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,390
for the object to affirm that much light

2755
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,159
in all those directions all at once it

2756
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,719
just seems

2757
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:02,400
it seems

2758
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,840
unattainable for us anyway you know yeah

2759
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:07,440
so now

2760
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,159
let's uh let's see what what happens

2761
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,280
after so the object goes away yeah

2762
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,360
this is my favorite part of the story

2763
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:17,840
yeah yeah it there i guess it was the

2764
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,560
galactic ice cream truck so

2765
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,719
as you know it got dark again and i just

2766
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,480
everybody started picking up

2767
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,320
speed off of the uh

2768
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,239
off of the breakdown lane

2769
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:32,000
and i looked over at my girlfriend and i

2770
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:33,199
said

2771
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,560
it's gonna be all right we'll get an ice

2772
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:36,639
cream

2773
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:39,280
so we headed another mile or two

2774
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,800
i'm guessing it was

2775
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,800
could have been three i don't know

2776
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:44,560
uh

2777
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,960
to get off at mystic and

2778
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:53,119
every car in front of me took the exit

2779
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:59,109
said okay you know i guess that could

2780
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,400
happen and

2781
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,239
we get off the exit and right across the

2782
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,480
street on the opposite side of the

2783
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,480
of the highway if i remember

2784
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,159
properly there's there was a howard

2785
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:09,840
johnson's and every single car went to

2786
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,990
and

2787
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,080
i think i mentioned before one of the

2788
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:17,679
strangest

2789
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,840
aspects of this for me

2790
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:22,239
is still how every everyone got out of

2791
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,080
their car at about the same you know we

2792
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,880
all pulled into parking lots and

2793
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:28,800
into parking spaces and everyone got out

2794
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,600
and we were all just kind of like slowly

2795
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,520
just kind of drifting across the parking

2796
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:35,679
lot nobody was really talking to anybody

2797
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,560
else

2798
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,800
just amongst themselves either murmuring

2799
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:40,800
going on i don't think anybody really

2800
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:43,760
wanted to talk about it

2801
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,280
you know this was a long time ago it

2802
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:49,430
i never would have told this story a

2803
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,199
long time ago ever

2804
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:54,480
yeah this the stigma has sort of

2805
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:55,679
been lifted

2806
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:56,560
yeah

2807
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,080
people have now said

2808
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,080
not only have we seen them but it's not

2809
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:05,920
acceptable for an ordinary mooc to come

2810
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:08,080
out and say well here's what happened

2811
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,560
so but back then we just walked across

2812
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,000
we walked across the parking lot went

2813
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:14,719
into howard johnson's

2814
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,400
we sat at the counter my girl and i sat

2815
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:18,239
at the counter on the stools and there

2816
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:19,119
was

2817
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:20,800
every the other people as far as i

2818
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:23,440
remember took took tables there was a

2819
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,669
uh and he had a glass of water and he

2820
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:31,600
was just staring off into the kitchen

2821
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,560
area

2822
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,920
and

2823
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,520
i still remember what he looks like this

2824
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:38,000
is this is strange that i remember this

2825
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,840
man so well he was

2826
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:41,440
about 35

2827
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:45,520
balding wearing a gray a uh like a tan

2828
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,440
windbreaker just sitting there just

2829
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:51,840
holding his water and

2830
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,080
we looked we looked at each other

2831
01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:56,320
and he looked me in the eyes and he said

2832
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,639
did you see them

2833
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,880
exactly what he was talking about yeah

2834
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:02,960
yeah i did

2835
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:04,159
and uh

2836
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,629
strange things that have happened in our

2837
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:12,239
lives

2838
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:15,119
to add to that experience

2839
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,719
and that and that

2840
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,719
that i'm afraid is the period on the end

2841
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,800
of the sentence the the paragraph

2842
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:22,800
because that's the story that's that's

2843
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:25,679
all i have yeah it's a

2844
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,560
well

2845
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:28,560
there's always the personal aftermath

2846
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:29,679
but i

2847
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:33,040
i it is too bad that you you know you

2848
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,360
did not at the time who would have ever

2849
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:37,280
thought of this but want to talk to all

2850
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,719
the people that

2851
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,040
came into the howard johnson's and you

2852
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,040
know share share the story what did you

2853
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,280
see and what it did you see what i saw

2854
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,360
and you know and all that

2855
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,600
when when this this guy that you sat

2856
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,040
next to

2857
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,960
he didn't go into any more detail or

2858
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:54,800
anything else about it just did you see

2859
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,199
them and that was it

2860
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,960
well we we talked a little bit about

2861
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:00,159
what we saw

2862
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:01,280
yeah

2863
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,639
but then we went off onto tangents other

2864
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
subjects you know to

2865
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:08,239
regarding

2866
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:10,000
the other rabbit holes that that we had

2867
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:15,189
yeah so all right your personal

2868
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,440
aftermath your girlfriend and you

2869
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,199
um did you two

2870
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:21,199
talk about it or was this one of these

2871
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,560
things where

2872
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,080
i think i remember you saying something

2873
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,760
about you spoke to your brother or

2874
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:28,480
something her her brother the day yeah

2875
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,199
well the next day we told her brother

2876
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:32,719
and then i've

2877
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,960
i've told maybe a dozen people in

2878
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:36,560
40-something years

2879
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,440
yeah

2880
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,760
and at so at the time

2881
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,159
you told her brother and

2882
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,320
did he think you both were not served

2883
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:46,159
yep he did

2884
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,719
first bible yeah and how about other

2885
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,400
times you've told you said you've told

2886
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,800
this story a dozen times over the years

2887
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,880
what's your experience been like are

2888
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:55,840
people

2889
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,239
believe you

2890
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,239
well yeah either that or they're being

2891
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:05,990
yeah

2892
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:09,760
these things

2893
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:12,800
yeah there is always always a shadow of

2894
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:14,000
a doubt

2895
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,600
yeah

2896
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,119
it doesn't matter who's telling the

2897
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,440
story i i listen to uh you know

2898
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:22,000
commander favor and i listen to

2899
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,280
it doesn't matter who's telling the

2900
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:25,600
story if you didn't have

2901
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,199
the experience yourself and and sense it

2902
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:31,920
in the only way each one of us can

2903
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:34,560
you can't believe it a hundred percent

2904
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,239
we're just

2905
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,840
we're wired that way

2906
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,360
yeah yeah

2907
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:41,760
um how about your girlfriend and you did

2908
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:47,510
no

2909
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,199
speaking with her about it on the way

2910
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,080
back from long island that night yeah

2911
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,520
which is another thing that's not

2912
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,639
unusual

2913
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:58,960
a lot of people will say that they they

2914
01:46:03,189 --> 01:46:01,040
go through this real traumatic

2915
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:03,199
encounter and then

2916
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,719
they go to bed

2917
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,560
and not talk about it you know there are

2918
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,639
things like that that you hear

2919
01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:10,800
that's exactly the way it happened and

2920
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:11,920
that's why

2921
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:13,679
you asked me about the encounter when i

2922
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:16,320
was nine and i saw it with my family

2923
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,920
that we didn't talk about the my mother

2924
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,520
was insistent that it was the ufo but we

2925
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,119
didn't talk about it the next day came

2926
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,000
and the day after we just went about our

2927
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,400
our lives and did what we did nobody

2928
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:28,560
brought it up anymore so this is only a

2929
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,440
few years after your mother had that

2930
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:34,400
unusual thing happened to her did you

2931
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:39,669
because you were about 15 then you're

2932
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:42,480
about 17 now i think i i think i told

2933
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,159
her about it but i i honestly can't

2934
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,639
tell you with 100

2935
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,760
you know

2936
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,520
conviction that that i have sat down and

2937
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:53,520
had a discussion with her about it we've

2938
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:56,400
just always known

2939
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,119
my mother and i

2940
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:01,760
you know we've we've just always known

2941
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:03,280
that

2942
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,800
it's a very mysterious

2943
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,560
subject and

2944
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:13,040
we didn't we just never sat down and

2945
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,159
scratched our heads and said gee i

2946
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:15,920
wonder what's going on here you know

2947
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,800
just we just always accepted that it is

2948
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:20,639
yeah yeah

2949
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:24,400
well it's a fantastic story um i loved

2950
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,199
hearing you you know tell it again it's

2951
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,280
uh there's no

2952
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,800
you know a lot of times people say well

2953
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,480
they didn't tell the same story twice

2954
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,159
but it's basically the same story with

2955
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:36,560
just a couple of added questions that i

2956
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,520
had

2957
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,760
and i'm trying to remember i think i

2958
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:41,840
might have asked you this but

2959
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,600
there was no

2960
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:45,679
you didn't notice any like time

2961
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:51,750
uh no but if i i know

2962
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,159
uh you know when when did we get back

2963
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,000
versus when we left did i chart out the

2964
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:59,119
miles try to you know configure what

2965
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,800
but but i would like to

2966
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:02,639
and i know that's not why i'm here for

2967
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,719
you today but but when you say time

2968
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:06,800
difference

2969
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:09,280
i i just want to throw in my two cents

2970
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,070
that

2971
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,550
regardless of what these what what this

2972
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:21,199
is what what these uh

2973
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:22,480
objects are

2974
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,280
what they're not you know

2975
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:27,119
it's apparent to me that they are

2976
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:28,880
they're in

2977
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,800
absolute and complete control of the

2978
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:32,960
narrative yes

2979
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,040
whatever their objectives are yeah

2980
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,080
they only we only see what they

2981
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:43,520
want us to yes when they want us to yeah

2982
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,280
and they control they control the sac

2983
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,480
but beyond that they control

2984
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,840
apparently

2985
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,480
they control time

2986
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:56,639
and space or at least the way we

2987
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:01,430
because

2988
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,679
i don't have any other explanation

2989
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:05,840
for being here and then being here or my

2990
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,800
mother sees it here a second later it's

2991
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,199
behind her

2992
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,119
so

2993
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,679
yeah with no i mean to to elaborate on

2994
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:18,400
that there's never a sonic boom

2995
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,119
this happens all the time nope there's

2996
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,760
there's not any like say that thing

2997
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,440
showed up right next to your mother she

2998
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:27,920
never felt a breeze or like any type of

2999
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,440
object that would move that fast would

3000
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,840
be you know knocking the shutters off

3001
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,920
the house you know type of thing nothing

3002
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:34,960
right

3003
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:39,669
there was no noise with your mother

3004
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:41,599
right or was there no there was no noise

3005
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:43,520
no sound at all yeah

3006
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,639
yeah

3007
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:46,880
um

3008
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:48,719
so you know

3009
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:49,920
i

3010
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,199
robots that have been assembled or

3011
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,599
androids to to fly these objects to

3012
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,800
explore

3013
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,639
you know i i can't imagine anything

3014
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,159
surviving

3015
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:06,400
the kind of speeds that

3016
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:07,199
yeah

3017
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:08,560
i mean even

3018
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,520
even

3019
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:12,320
for us the only life form that has ever

3020
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,239
prospered at all in space not prosper

3021
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,719
but survived have been reptiles you know

3022
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:18,400
all the experiments that have been done

3023
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,119
with

3024
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:20,800
every life form that they can get their

3025
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:23,599
hands on to to circle the planet in

3026
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:25,920
in their controlled laboratories only

3027
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:28,639
reptiles have been able to endure

3028
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:30,159
the length of time and space without

3029
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,040
cell degeneration

3030
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:34,960
yeah but you know you might have a point

3031
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,840
there's a number of people

3032
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:39,040
that think that there's some type of

3033
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:40,639
time dilation

3034
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:43,599
travel

3035
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:46,480
you know of how they're able to you know

3036
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,000
maybe there's something in physics we

3037
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:49,920
haven't figured out that they have that

3038
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,400
they can do this type of thing with but

3039
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:54,400
it's you know it's really it's a

3040
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:55,840
fascinating

3041
01:51:01,750 --> 01:50:58,880
idea and something that keeps me

3042
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:01,760
really you know interested in this topic

3043
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,840
one one other question

3044
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,480
would you ever consider

3045
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,560
doing any type of regression on the

3046
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,400
whole thing to see if there's

3047
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:12,000
hypnotic regression to see if there's

3048
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,520
anything you may

3049
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:16,159
recover that you're you kind of tucked

3050
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:24,629
to be honest i've never even thought

3051
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,960
about it yeah i've never even thought

3052
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,480
about it yeah

3053
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,880
well i'm not trusting of a lot of things

3054
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,280
mine yeah can i understand well there's

3055
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:35,440
a lot of leading going on a lot i happen

3056
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,480
to know someone that's that is very very

3057
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,639
cautious and she's she's a 30-year

3058
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,760
professional

3059
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,440
in um in

3060
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,520
social work and stuff like that so she

3061
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:47,840
really understands this totally wrong

3062
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,400
ways that people have done things anyway

3063
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,719
just a thought it could be interesting

3064
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,960
yeah yeah either maybe

3065
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,960
you know and it's not

3066
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:59,280
it's not any magic you know that's the

3067
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,480
mystery a lot of people think there's

3068
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,400
some type of magic no it just helps you

3069
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:03,920
relax and helps you

3070
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:06,320
like understand more of something you

3071
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,199
may

3072
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:09,199
have pushed away a little that's all you

3073
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:12,639
know but uh but anyway uh albert it's

3074
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:16,639
been really amazing i i think this was a

3075
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,119
really good idea to have you on and i

3076
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,199
really appreciate

3077
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,920
um a very i consider you a very credible

3078
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,960
witness

3079
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,880
and i i really uh and i love your

3080
01:52:30,149 --> 01:52:28,159
artwork too

3081
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,159
thank you martin thank you very much for

3082
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,080
having me i'm yeah i'm honored to be

3083
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,960
here thank you yeah all right so you

3084
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,360
take care and i'll talk to you soon okay

3085
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:39,599
you too thank you thank you all right

3086
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,560
everyone so next week we have tom king

3087
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:44,159
coming up on he's going to be talking

3088
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:45,679
that show will be live and he'll be

3089
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,000
talking about the phoenix lights so

3090
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,840
you're going to want to check that out

3091
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,639
right here at uh the same time as usual

3092
01:52:57,820 --> 01:52:54,719
next week and remember to keep your eyes

3093
01:53:07,140 --> 01:52:57,830
to the sky